You are being painfully ignorant. Please, stop trying to change the definition of Plagiarism. Clearly you do not understand plagiarism, so I'll lay it out for you. Plagiarism is the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own. That is copying and presenting it elsewhere. There is no other word, because the word is plagiarism.


Nope, that is not what I mean.

Copying anything and passing it off as your own work (plagiarism) is unacceptable in all of it's forms on this forum.

That child board is not full of plagiarism, the Press board is full of links, references and sourced material.

I can differentiate between copying and plagiarism, however it doesn't seem that you can do the same. Plagiarism attempts to claim the work is your own and does not give credit to the original source. Plagiarism is a bannable offense, while sourcing information is perfectly acceptable.


You're wrong, you don't need to keep repeating yourself hoping that it sounds more correct the third time it comes out of your mind. The situation you describe is not correct and it isn't reality. I casually go about my business, without even considering merit for a second and it has come in due time. I do not write technical stuff or copy anything from wikipedia, therefore you're just wrong. I do exactly what you say will never result in merit, yet I am currently one of the merited users on the forum.


You don't believe that complex ideas can be put into your own words?
Everyone has their own personality. If I asked you "How do I sign a message from a Bitcoin address?", there are literally thousands of correct ways to answer this question. You do not need the answer to come verbatim, and if you do feel that you need to copy it verbatim there is a simple solution: Link your source and do not pass it off as your own work. You continue to claim I don't know the difference between plagiarism and "copying", but here you are demonstrating that this is exactly the case for you.

At this point I have said more negative than positive about BitWhisk, because of their recent issues with this signature campaign nonsense. You can call me whatever you like digaron, since we're jump buddies. I have probably provided all of the helpful feedback I can provide to this company, and you may have a point. I meant it more as, if ChipMixer decided then Darkstar_ would probably be the person that relays this message. I was just assuming that it would come through them.

I don't plan on deleting my posts, have I said something inappropriate?

lolxxxx was tagged for their past scams, ban evasion and being involved in ponzi schemes. I guess I am still confused about the whole trap thing, but you always have interesting reasoning that goes along with your statements. You've been using less profanity lately, and I can only hope that you can keep your nose clean.

I see what you're saying, and don't disagree with you, really. I'll probably leave them to their own devices as far as suggestions, testing or anything like that regarding their service goes. Let them fly out of the nest and see how things go. No sense in putting more thought and care into their service than the owners. 

Fair enough, they would know better than either of us and I haven't read up on anything of the sort. So you'd know better than me and I'll take your word on it. I like the idea of an auto-lock after X days with no posts. I'm in the same boat, I hate to miss a direct reply to me.


This might be a salient point, because frequently there is points of discussion that are valid to be discussed that the OP may not have considered. I would think that something along the lines of selecting between a couple options when creating a thread might help; "Closed-Ended Question" or "Open-Ended Discussion", something along those lines. At least this could avoid extra spam and cutting discussions short that need extra context or input.

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I liked the Lenovo that they showed on your link, the Miix, but the lowest price link won't open up for me. I wouldn't want to pay the $800 for it on Amazon, and the $600 newegg link is out of stock. I appreciate the link; I've done a lot of reading and I'm still unsure about what I want. I've just been reading, researching and bookmarking links for like multiple weeks at this point. Hopefully something comes along that really makes me pull the trigger.


I didn't just come up with it, it's been a couple weeks and I really need a tablet, but I understand what you're getting at. I was just feeling left out by not having a nice tablet. The versatility and portability of it have me feeling like it is needed for my lifestyle recently. No worries, as long as you don't score a better deal than I do we won't have any problems.

Feel free to share any info you've come across that might be helpful or I might be overlooking; I've done a lot of research at this point, so that might be a tall order.

If you're less picky about Price and condition then I would either grab something off Ebay, or brand new from a manufacturer. Something top of the line like a Surfacebook, or that Acer tablet with a dedicated GPU, 2GB-4GB or something like that in VRAM.

digaron, your posts never get me upset, man. I'm always laughing while I read your posts, in a genuinely amused manner. I mean this as a compliment, honestly.

What sort of trap do you suppose it would be?

Competition breeds success.

If Darkstar_ feels that we should have nothing to say in terms of other mixers, then they are free to let us know and we will either stop doing so, part ways or negotiate something else to the satisfaction of every party involved. I am simply sharing my thoughts, some positive, some negative, but all of them straightforward and honest. I post around the forum as if I do not have a signature under my name, therefore it is not a consideration when I'm writing my post. I doubt ChipMixer sees this service as competition, anyways. They are just getting their wings and freshly walking into the market. If there is going to be any drama involved, I will gladly walk away from this thread and BitWhisk. I do not want to bring any problems their way, and they are not worth bringing any problems upon myself. I just wanted to help out what seems to be an honest company looking for feedback; that is pretty rare coming from a lower ranking account these days. In other words, it was refreshing to pop my head into this thread and see nobody being scammed or spammed. I hope this helps you understand a little better the reasons or motivations behind my involvement in this thread. If not, keep the questions coming and I'll be honest and straightforward in my explanations or answers. I can't speak for anybody else, so they will have to do so if they care to answer your questions.


I agree with you here. Turning this thread into a flame war isn't helping anything.
The way you word things gets me everytime.
Daddy Joe raised us better than that!


The constructive posting part was addressed above, so I'll leave it at that on that issue. Thank you, for keeping your concerns level-headed and reasonable, for now. I fear that you shouldn't be scaring off campaign managers from this company, because that seems a little unfair to do to them.

I don't understand why my experience is irrelevant. My experience is no different from anybody else; I do not have any helping hands or long-term friends that are helping me out. Why is my experience something you discredit, and yet think your own experience matters?

You said that they should specifically focus on merit when you said -

My disagreement is with your initial statement :
You said nothing about one-liners in that post. Honestly, there might just be a miscommunication here and there may be more agreement that we are making it appear. I'm just trying to point out blatant flaws in your premises and conclusions as they have been presented, because this is how you improve yourself and everything around you. I did the same with Milkz, and now their thread has caught fire and the attention of staff/DT members in a phenomenal way.


I am speaking about the statistics and the publicly available record of every merit transaction that there is. From what I've inferred from the data suggests that a very small minority of users are abusing the merit system with their friends or accomplices. The rest of us are just out here using it as it was originally intended; far from the way you describe it. Your individual observations are not the reality, they are an anecdote, a drop in the bucket. While it may be anecdotally significant, it is statistically irrelevant when we consider what is really going on.

My observation does not differ from what you said -
My contention is that this is irrelevant, because once you read a post you technically "know" them. To know someone simply means to be aware of them. How is it a problem for people to merit people they are aware of or know? There would seem no other possibility, unless it was being randomly handed out blindly.

Do you define "knowing someone" as different from that?


Yes, you did advocate for copying from wikipedia, and that's exactly what you said originally. At least, you claimed this to be the only way to get merit.


You're right though, you didn't say they should just copy and paste. You suggested that he become a BTC guru through the technical knowledge of wikipedia. You suggested a dichotomy in which the option are, you can either be a technical Bitcoin guru of wikipedia or make friends that distribute merit and become a task-rabbit of the merit system.


It feels weird to continue referring you to what you said. It feels like you aren't keeping a consistent train of thought. These statements are indefensibly thoughtless and I hope you realize this, or do not actually believe these things.


I have no idea what you're talking about.
You should see the bewildered look on my face, from what you're saying. If that was your attempt at an analogy... Ouch.

If you kill someone, there are only two options, you have either committed homicide or you have been involved in a legally justifiable homicide. One of these carries legal action against a criminal, the other does not, but both of them are homicide and both resulted in the death of an individual. One of these we are okay with, while the other we are not, generally speaking.

Plagiarism from wikipedia is not acceptable on this forum, therefore it fits in the place of the homicide in this analogy. Plagiarism from wikipedia elsewhere may be acceptable and therefore, justified homicide (plagiarism). You following me? Plagiarism is homicide, the location/medium is the circumstances/environment and the original author is the cold-body on the floor. Whether it is justified or not depends upon the location, circumstances surrounding the dead body and the identity of that person.


You ask way too many questions that have nothing to do with what we are discussing in an attempt to take us off topic for no apparent reason. Please refrain from doing this, as it just makes it more difficult when we're trying to reach a mutual understanding; or at least that's what I'm attempting to do. You seem you be trying to "win" or antagonize, when the only win to be had is for you to become more informed about how things really work.

Rank is irrelevant to merit in a very large way. Lower ranking members have received the majority of merit that has been distributed. I don't understand, you are upset because I speak English well? I write English, like somebody that puts thought and care into their writing. I would not receive merit if I only put a comma, in your words; that's another idiotic statement that you've made, without proof, that shows how naive and defeated you are about the whole merit system. You do not get flamed for opening topics, unless they break the rules. The entire picture you paint of this forum is half-baked, uninformed, unfortunate and childish in every way. I personally do not obsess over merits and they have come, so what is your point? Merit ends up in the hands of those that warrant merit, not in the hands of those that beg for it or obsess over it. Please point me to a single user that is begging or obsessing over merit, and doing so successfully. If you cannot do this, then you have no point, yet again.

Why would anyone merit me for posting a comma? You are talking out of your ass.

Copper membership is free for higher ranking members, because it doesn't add any functionality; it is simply a useless usergroup for me.


I can see you are uninformed and ignorant in multiple areas. Wikipedia allowing people to freely distribute it's information does not circumvent the rules of this forum. You will still be banned for plagiarism, I'm not sure what is so difficult to understand about that. What the source of the information says in terms of their information is irrelevant to the rules of the forum. It is plagiarism and plagiarism/copy+paste is against the rules, therefore justifiable plagiarism is still ban-worthy.

It is cute that you are attempting to get all technical, and find a way to justify the nonsense you are spouting, rather than acknowledging that what you have said is uninformed, not helpful and whiny.

If another website says "Go ahead and copy our material", do you think this prevents you from being banned for copying their material on a website such as this? A website that is actively attempting to cut down on the type of spam you are advocating for.


Every one of the conclusions were wrong, and I've already explained why with supporting evidence. I don't even remember your name or what we have disagreed on in the past, so that has nothing to do with anything. The fact that you remember something insignificant and think that has anything to do with our present conversation is baffling to me. You have refuted none of my points, have defended none of yours and have only served to make yourself look more foolish and ignorant than you already did. Please, quit while you're ahead, because you're not making sense, you're not making salient points and you should realize you are defending a losing argument. The merit system is much more nuanced, useful and complex than your cynical and derivative explanation of it has to offer.

*Yawn*
Let me just ask you something to be clear, do you think copying/plagiarizing from Wikipedia is against the rules/guidelines of the forum we're on?
Can you acknowledge that merit has been distributed outside of the close-minded criteria you originally laid out?

Yes, it would, but sometimes you go do a little research around the forum to make sure your answer is proper while you're editing and now I'm always being distracted thinking I have a new post to read when I do not. It is just an extra couple seconds here and there, but sometimes you don't immediately click "Post"; this seems to be my case more and more lately.

That is probably why this has gone without any significant discussion, most people don't bother even checking because they regularly just click post.


Apparently I was wrong
Posting in my own thread, it appears to remain unread on some circumstances. Which confuses me doubly.

Anybody else notice this, able to recreate this or even think it is negligible? Just starting to become a pet-peeve of mine, now that I've noticed it I can't unsee it.

I have to assume that the pictures/updates and the price of Bitcoin are independent from one another, or am I mistaken? I stayed up all night refreshing your thread, titillated with anticipation and now I feel betrayed.   I've been taken for a fool, please do not play with my heart again. I would like to see your word be kept and the auction up before the moon is high!   It has been nearly another 24-hours and now I am feint with exhaustion from this emotional roller coaster.


I don't know about anybody else, but this gave me chills. The way you worded it was pretty ominous. I would suggest running the auction sooner rather than later, because if the market does recover that just means you'll get less BTC for your quilt. If you throw the auction up before the recovery you might get a good price, and then experience a nice increase in value. That's just my 2-cents though, so do as you please, of course. What is the longest you would delay the auction?

Your oar is most welcome in this lake.

You've sent me into a tablet researching frenzy. I was unaware that there were two in one laptops that are basically tablets, except better in every way. Sheesh, I've been doing nothing except for reading about tablets and these two in one laptops for about a day straight at this point. I saw that I can get a manufacturer refurbished Surface Pro 3 for about $300 so I was thinking that's a pretty solid option. I was also looking at some serious set ups that have dedicated graphics cards, like you've just shown. I can't decide if I want to go more budget, or extreme, but regardless I'm still open to taking offers.

I'm shaky on purse.io, never known how to approach it, but as I said I could just use my verified exchange account and get fiat in a snap for the purchase.

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There is no such thing as negative merit. Please let me know if I've just missed a joke that's gone over my head, because when I see someone that is uninformed to common knowledge I seek to show them where to find this information.

Please read up on the official announcement thread started by theymos; it goes into great detail. Almost every question you can think to ask regarding the merit system has been asked and answered within that thread. You can only send sMerit, you cannot take, remove, delete or send negative merit to someone in any way.

I'm also confused with why you are rolling your eyes after you talk about sharing/contributing to the community is the best track for receiving merit. Almost as though you are sarcastic about that being the correct path, while being ignorant about the simple foundational aspects of the merit system.

Either I am sorely mistaken and a joke has gone leagues above my head, or you need to do some more reading to educate yourself before making condescending remarks.

Just about anyone with half a brain refuses to use Blockchain.info and many people have their reserves about Shapeshift. It might be pointless to somebody willing to use these horrible services, but I'd be willing to match the rate as long as I am not losing money. There is flexibility in my rates, and currency exchangers are well aware there is competition. I'm not looking to become rich, I'm just trying to offer users another option for exchanging their coin.


I could exchange BTC for BCH, at least I've never had a problem making that exchange in the past. If you are interested in getting this handled ASAP, please shoot me a PM and we'll get this moving.

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I'm extremely disappointed. I poked my head in here with the hopes that there was going to be something interesting for me to take away. Instead it looks like you've copied and pasted a bunch of random facts that you found around the internet. Half of them don't make sense without a reference, or at least a footnote of some kind explaining what you are talking about. The formatting is horrible, I can barely get myself to read it without hurting my eyes. Then, the worst part of this entire post is the cringe ending that you tacked on. Begging for merit, because you threw together a random fact list is pretty obnoxious and frowned upon by just about everyone. Please, elaborate, clarify, reference, source, footnote and format this list before you expect anybody to read it. Then, do no ask for merit and do not expect merit. If you're unable to do these things then you're just adding to the spam around the forum that is causing the merit system to be implemented in the first place.

Both of you above me have claimed plagiarism, but I am unable to find where this is plagiarized from; can someone help me out? If you guys can find where it has been copied from then we can get the post reported and the user banned. If it hasn't been copied, then the least they can do is as I've suggested above.

I disagree with everything you just said. That is a pretty thoughtless analysis of the merit system. There are plenty of instances of merit being distributed in exactly the way you say it is not. I am not a BTC guru, writing technical responses; by the way, highly technical responses do not come from wikipedia, for future reference. If you're copying from anywhere, this is plagiarism and will not get you any merits, but it will get you a ban. I have received quite a few merits outside of the parameters you have laid out within your post here. I have seen countless Jr. Member's contributing very significantly in technical discussions and answering difficult technical questions that I have no clue about. You have the merit system very wrong, and I am unsure why you believe these conclusions to be true. There are users that get merit for "telling it like it is", calling out scams, creativity, humor, quality products, services, altruism, the list goes on and on.

I plan on going through all of the posts that have been submitted up to this point before the end of tomorrow. I will begin within the next hour or so and try my best to get through as many as I can.

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Potential Reserve, but I doubt I will need to use this as such. Mostly using this as my daily bump, since I very rarely get submissions worth meriting.

The way the questions are worded tells me a little something about your intent and I cannot say it is something I am interested in entertaining. You're asking which words to include into your posts in order to accumulate merit; that is one of the single strangest questions I have seen so far regarding merit. I suggest you become genuinely more concerned about contributing to or benefiting the community in anyway than you are in receiving merit. Once you have accomplished this you will be in a much better position to warrant a positive reputation, merit points and all o' dat clout. 

I'll go through these questions directly, quickly.

Posts worthy of reward would be a post that is something along the lines of being any one or a combination of informative, beneficial to the community, or entertaining to an extensive degree. That's the best way I can think to word it, right now. It should consist of the aforementioned qualities. There has been thousands of posts from members of all backgrounds and ranks giving their opinion on what constitutes a merit-worthy post. You should use the search function, as it will give you exponentially more information that staying confined to your own thread.

There are no magic words.

Do you care to substantiate your claims or is this silly accusation game something you plan to do without evidence? Let me guess, everybody in the ChipMixer campaign is one person with many alts. You are a joke. I refuse to go back and forth you any longer on this issue within someone else's thread. If you would like anybody to take you seriously, then create a thread in reputation, scam accusation or wherever else you believe it to be necessary.

I can only assume this was your attempt to slight darkstar, when I figure I would be the baby alt in this scenario, right?

If it is going to be irrelevant to bitwhisk, then please refrain from posting it within this thread. This thread is for the development, testing, commentary, suggestion, etc. surrounding their new service in an attempt to get it successfully off the ground.

I doubt BitWhisk is interested in having me as their campaign manager. I have no experience in this field, and though I am willing to learn, I doubt this is something they are willing to entertain at this point. BitWhisk needs a manager that is reputable and going to get the job done right without mistake. They can do better than me, and while I am flattered by Joe's suggestion I see this as a slight conflict of interest. Whether it be because I was the first to take issue with lolxxxx or that I am apart of ChipMixer, either way it would be potentially problematic. If I was to take on such an endeavor I would request approval from Darkstar first, as to not step on any toes. Again though, there are better choices and these people would do a better job.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1545652.0
BitWhisk, take a read through this thread. Also read up on the others we have mentioned.

I find it very amusing that BTCForJoe has been accused of being my alt, or is it that I am Joe's alt? That's pretty funny, and I would have to assume that you are UME/lolxxxx or whatever else you'd like to call yourself. I do not have a personal problem with you or anybody else, I just was simply trying to protect this new company from falling victim to a known scammer.

yahoo, lauda, lutpin, darkstar, hilariousandco are all pretty solid managers that normally have no problem taking on a new campaign.

Thank you for being so responsive every step of the way. I'm not trying to bully you into doing anything you are not interested in doing and it's not as though I was planning a witch hunt had you not shut down the campaign. I have just been around long enough to see how things play out and as human beings we are well equipped to recognize patterns when they arise. This was one of those unfortunate patterns until just now, as most companies would have ridden that wave stubbornly until the end of their days. You have broken the pattern and now you control the fate of your company again, not these uninterested leeches that hang around the forums. Kudos to you.

Please, feel free to inquire further. If you have any questions you can feel free to PM me or ask openly within this thread. I want to see you succeed as I have stated many times. If you are in need of a quality signature manager then let me know and I will point you in the direction of experienced and reputable. A lot of these trusted campaign mangers have racked up a large amount of untrusted negative feedback by doing exactly as I am suggesting and making enemies by discriminating low-quality users from their campaign.

You've made many adjustments since you've announced your service and this can just be considered a logistical hiccup that is put behind us. Continue to learn from the mistakes, continue to take criticism with dignity and continue to be willing to learn in the way you have been; This project will come together before long.

Who do you think will be seeing your signatures buried deep in spam megathreads as the 1000th, 2500th or 4000th+ reply? Even if that was the whole idea of running a campaign, you are not achieving that goal.


You have to think beyond the participants of the campaign receiving their funds, especially considering the participants that have been selected thus far do not qualify as a contributing member of the forum by any measure. If you are pleased with paying these participants after acknowledging everything I have laid out, then I can only imagine you are operating with cognitive dissonance and this is unfortunate. What is wrong is the users you are choosing to pay. What is wrong is the message you are sending by defending the posting habits of these users and in fact incentivizing it financially. You may not scam anybody, but your campaign manager has represented companies that have scammed people in the past; this doesn't look good, because it associates you very heavily with their past scams.


Untrusted feedback rarely has value.
Why do you think Default Trust, and Trusted Feedback are a separate category? They hold more weight and are a good defensive measure against users with multiple alternate accounts, like lolxxxx, that have malicious intent and would abuse the system.


Point me to them. I see none.
The only "established" entity I can see affiliated with lolxxxx is the infamous bitconnect scam that made a mockery out of millions and crypto in general.


So, then to answer my question; No, you do no see anything that I have pointed out as a significant enough problem to warrant a solution. You honestly believe your campaign manager is doing their job well, even after seeing the participants they have selected. After seeing the hypocritical rules/criteria. I am baffled and was hoping to hear a different response from you.


Your manager also did not "hire" anybody that is a quality member or respected. Your manager did not even the hire the best applicants. Your manager has been found in possession of multiple high ranking alternate accounts; I would honestly be suspicious that they are alt accounts or friends of theirs. I would not necessarily say that these are good signs in collaboration with the rest of what we are seeing.

All in all, this was a very disappointing response about the entire situation. Your participants and campaign manager are single handedly going to take down your business' reputation.


Edit : Seems like you've realized how disastrous this would become, quickly. Good thinking to close the campaign, at least until things are better sorted.