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August 29, 2013, 07:52:55 AM |
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What I am trying to say is that this is not an ordinary market (as you all know of course).
Normal business plans do not apply here.
See Avalon - what if it finally failed? All these chips sooner or later will be hashing...
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August 29, 2013, 07:53:30 AM |
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LOL you doubt they will sell out??
Even damn erupters sell out every time...
This is $32 per GH/s for raw chips. Complete systems would be closer to $50 a GH/s. No I don't think expensive raw chips using up to 10x as much power as competitors being released in November will be popular at all. Like you said people could just buy block eruptors, get them in a couple days with no risk. Who wants overpriced, obsolete 130nm chips in November from a company with no rep that bombed their IPO because they got trolled. |
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August 29, 2013, 07:54:18 AM |
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What I am trying to say is that this is not an ordinary market (as you all know of course).
Normal business plans do not apply here.
See Avalon - what if it finally failed? All these chips sooner or later will be hashing...
And soon they won't be hashing. Not using >8J/GH. |
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klee
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August 29, 2013, 07:54:42 AM |
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LOL you doubt they will sell out??
Even damn erupters sell out every time...
This is $32 per GH/s for raw chips. Complete systems would be closer to $50 a GH/s. No I don't think expensive raw chips using up to 10x as much power as competitors being released in November will be popular at all. Like you said people could just buy block eruptors, get them in a couple days with no risk. Who wants overpriced, obsolete 130nm chips in November from a company with no rep that bombed their IPO because they got trolled. Let's wait and see...  |
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zendantom
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August 29, 2013, 11:07:30 AM |
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LOL you doubt they will sell out??
Even damn erupters sell out every time...
This is $32 per GH/s for raw chips. Complete systems would be closer to $50 a GH/s. No I don't think expensive raw chips using up to 10x as much power as competitors being released in November will be popular at all. Like you said people could just buy block eruptors, get them in a couple days with no risk. Who wants overpriced, obsolete 130nm chips in November from a company with no rep that bombed their IPO because they got trolled. At this stage is very important to ship a product immediatelly, not its effectivity, as many dont know how to use profit calculators and are affraid they miss the boat |
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klee
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August 29, 2013, 11:09:31 AM |
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LOL you doubt they will sell out??
Even damn erupters sell out every time...
This is $32 per GH/s for raw chips. Complete systems would be closer to $50 a GH/s. No I don't think expensive raw chips using up to 10x as much power as competitors being released in November will be popular at all. Like you said people could just buy block eruptors, get them in a couple days with no risk. Who wants overpriced, obsolete 130nm chips in November from a company with no rep that bombed their IPO because they got trolled. At this stage is very important to ship a product immediatelly, not its effectivity, as many dont know how to use profit calculators and are affraid they miss the boat This too! It is a race against time IMHO more than of quality (watts/ghs etc)... |
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August 29, 2013, 11:43:46 AM |
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LOL you doubt they will sell out??
Even damn erupters sell out every time...
This is $32 per GH/s for raw chips. Complete systems would be closer to $50 a GH/s. No I don't think expensive raw chips using up to 10x as much power as competitors being released in November will be popular at all. Like you said people could just buy block eruptors, get them in a couple days with no risk. Who wants overpriced, obsolete 130nm chips in November from a company with no rep that bombed their IPO because they got trolled. At this stage is very important to ship a product immediatelly, not its effectivity, as many dont know how to use profit calculators and are affraid they miss the boat This too! It is a race against time IMHO more than of quality (watts/ghs etc)... Err...I think they know this which is why margins upon margins is wayyyy more important that anyone else's claims to be more efficient. That said, competitors have to claim some form of compelling something as they are late to the game, and thus they cannot afford margins upon margins, but only promise a best case scenario based on simulated expectation, which history so far has told us is unlikely to be the case... |
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Bitcoinorama
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August 29, 2013, 11:45:26 AM |
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pretty good...  |
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klee
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August 29, 2013, 12:22:08 PM |
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LOL you doubt they will sell out??
Even damn erupters sell out every time...
This is $32 per GH/s for raw chips. Complete systems would be closer to $50 a GH/s. No I don't think expensive raw chips using up to 10x as much power as competitors being released in November will be popular at all. Like you said people could just buy block eruptors, get them in a couple days with no risk. Who wants overpriced, obsolete 130nm chips in November from a company with no rep that bombed their IPO because they got trolled. At this stage is very important to ship a product immediatelly, not its effectivity, as many dont know how to use profit calculators and are affraid they miss the boat This too! It is a race against time IMHO more than of quality (watts/ghs etc)... Err...I think they know this which is why margins upon margins is wayyyy more important that anyone else's claims to be more efficient. That said, competitors have to claim some form of compelling something as they are late to the game, and thus they cannot afford margins upon margins, but only promise a best case scenario based on simulated expectation, which history so far has told us is unlikely to be the case... They and labcoin have chips (for labcoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=263445.msg3034787#msg3034787). KnC?? |
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klee
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August 29, 2013, 12:23:37 PM |
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Now tell me again, who is late for the game??
Sure not Bitfury, BTCGarden or Labcoin.
HashFast, Cointerra, KnC pending...
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August 29, 2013, 12:25:08 PM |
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HashFast, Cointerra, KnC pending...
they will have 28nm chips. |
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August 29, 2013, 12:25:51 PM |
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How about:
"The Future is ... here"
"The NEW Yellow Brick Road"
Or perhaps some inspiring quotes:
"Be yourself, the world worships the original" - Ingrid Bergman
"We are not permitted to choose the frame of our destiny, but what we put into it is ours" - Dag Hammarsköld
"There is a star above us which unites souls of the first order, though worlds and ages separate them" - Christina of Sweden
Keep up the good work KNC, you are a light of confidence in an otherwise shadowy world.
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August 29, 2013, 12:34:24 PM |
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No KnC doesn't have chips on their hand, now. And you know it, doesn't you? And more to the point, we can't be 100% sure KnC will deliver on time, if ever. that's a fact. Having said that you can be sure that Gen1 ASIC devices based on 1XXnm technology will reach their "electrical breakeven point" (EBP) a lot sooner than the one based on 28nm tech. see: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=281279.0quoting the relevant table just for clarity's sake: Specs Process Eff (J/GH) [1] Diff (mil) Hashrate (PH/s) Pre-order availability (per manufacturer)
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KNC 28nm 1.8 [3] 11,600 83.0 Existing: Sept/Oct New: Oct
Hashfast 28nm 0.8 25,100 179.7 Existing: Oct New: not accepting orders
BFL (Monarch) 28nm 0.8 [4] 26,200 187.5 Existing: Feb New: [5]
Cointerra 28nm 0.7 [2] 29,900 214.0 Existing: Jan New: Jan
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Avalon 130nm 8.3 2,500 17.9
ASICMiner 110nm 7.7 2,700 19.3
BFL (SC) 65nm 5.0 4,200 30.1
Bitfury 55nm 1.0 21,000 150.3
FPGA various 50.0 400 2.9
GPU various 330.0 60 0.4
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August 29, 2013, 12:35:26 PM |
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How about:
"The Future is ... here"
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How about: "U paid us, LOL!" |
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klee
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August 29, 2013, 12:39:53 PM |
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HashFast, Cointerra, KnC pending...
they will have 28nm chips. Sure...WHEN?? |
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klee
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August 29, 2013, 12:40:55 PM |
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No KnC doesn't have chips on their hand, now. And you know it, doesn't you? And more to the point, we can't be 100% sure KnC will deliver on time, if ever. that's a fact. Having said that you can be sure that Gen1 ASIC devices based on 1XXnm technology will reach their "electrical breakeven point" (EBP) a lot sooner than the one based on 28nm tech. see: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=281279.0quoting the relevant table just for clarity's sake: Specs Process Eff (J/GH) [1] Diff (mil) Hashrate (PH/s) Pre-order availability (per manufacturer)
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KNC 28nm 1.8 [3] 11,600 83.0 Existing: Sept/Oct New: Oct
Hashfast 28nm 0.8 25,100 179.7 Existing: Oct New: not accepting orders
BFL (Monarch) 28nm 0.8 [4] 26,200 187.5 Existing: Feb New: [5]
Cointerra 28nm 0.7 [2] 29,900 214.0 Existing: Jan New: Jan
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Avalon 130nm 8.3 2,500 17.9
ASICMiner 110nm 7.7 2,700 19.3
BFL (SC) 65nm 5.0 4,200 30.1
Bitfury 55nm 1.0 21,000 150.3
FPGA various 50.0 400 2.9
GPU various 330.0 60 0.4
There are still GPU miners with free electricity....ever heard of the term? |
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August 29, 2013, 12:44:35 PM |
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While you waste your time for slogans: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=264696.msg3033042#msg3033042"We are planning to tapeout 1500TH+ chips in Sep(i,e, the 2nd batch of 1st gen chips of btcgarden. The 1st batch of 250TH of 1st gen chips will be in hand soon and will be deployed in china as you might knew) ,all of these 1500TH will be in hand in the mid of Nov," Bye bye ROI... 130nm, $32 per GH/s (chips only complete system would be more). High price and high power consumption. I imagine they will be insanely popular. Since when is 0.11BTC = $32? I mean, if it was I'd certainly like to know  |
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August 29, 2013, 12:48:01 PM |
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While you waste your time for slogans: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=264696.msg3033042#msg3033042"We are planning to tapeout 1500TH+ chips in Sep(i,e, the 2nd batch of 1st gen chips of btcgarden. The 1st batch of 250TH of 1st gen chips will be in hand soon and will be deployed in china as you might knew) ,all of these 1500TH will be in hand in the mid of Nov," Bye bye ROI... 130nm, $32 per GH/s (chips only complete system would be more). High price and high power consumption. I imagine they will be insanely popular. Since when is 0.11BTC = $32? I mean, if it was I'd certainly like to know I bet there would be at least 3 times in the past (since 2009) that it would equal this price  |
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