Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[eve]

they have no chips at the moment. maybe they plan to build a taskforce to fly to china.

How you know they don't have any chips at the moment? can someone write to them if they have the chips already produced?

[jelin1984]

if ask knc
will tell you that all is good
and that will have everything in time

but when september and october pass
i want to see what they will have to say

i think that we must found some good lawyers
here at forum
and some guys
like
terrahash avalon and maybe knc
go to jail

[Gyrsur]

they have no chips at the moment. maybe they plan to build a taskforce to fly to china.

How you know they don't have any chips at the moment? can someone write to them if they have the chips already produced?

https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-30

"Today we have our PCB’s back from the assembly house. These boards will each contain one ASIC chip and be individually connected to the main controller board. The Chip in the picture below is an FPGA which we are using to emulate the full functionality of the boards."

[Anduck]

they have no chips at the moment. maybe they plan to build a taskforce to fly to china.

How you know they don't have any chips at the moment? can someone write to them if they have the chips already produced?

https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-30

"Today we have our PCB’s back from the assembly house. These boards will each contain one ASIC chip and be individually connected to the main controller board. The Chip in the picture below is an FPGA which we are using to emulate the full functionality of the boards."

Am I missing something.. but doesn't 250 amps at like 5V draw 1250 Watts? You'll need huge PSU for their biggest miners that include like 4 of those ASICs, right? ...If one ASIC chip draws over 1kW..

[jelin1984]

yes where is the chip
where is the asic chips

??

what to do the board without chip?

[BenTuras]

Am I missing something.. but doesn't 250 amps at like 5V draw 1250 Watts? You'll need huge PSU for their biggest miners that include like 4 of those ASICs, right? ...If one ASIC chip draws over 1kW..

The ASICs don't use 5V, more likely 1.0V or less. On their product presentation diagram, it's 0.9V. (News section on the website)

[M4g!c]

I'm still hoping they'll give Gen 1 purchasers a significant break on Gen 2 devices, especially if ROI becomes elusive for those receiving October shipments. Us October folks could be in a tough spot with Sept. miners getting a head start and November units significantly less expensive.

If you're reading this KNC, can you address these concerns?

This!!!

Sitting in the same boat with my right after day 2 order 2xxx, according to KNC, early October shipment.

October customers are pretty much toast how it seems, September buyers will make their ROI (assuming they start shipping in mid-september) and in November devices according to KNC´s statement will cost a lot less.

Imo, KNC should figure something out for customers who are sitting in this October sandwich, to honour the trust these folks showed with pre-ordering, at least if they start shipping late, .

I´m also wondering about, why KNC can´t (or they won´t?) tell excact shipping dates.
That´s especially for the October customers very important to know.

In 5 weeks we are at the end of September already and every production company of the world should know 5 weeks before deadline an exact shipping date.
Theres no way they don´t know if everything is on track as they say (or even ahead of timeline).

So, that opens discussion for two different scenarios.

First, they won´t tell us, cause they are very confident to start shipping very soon (within next 2 weeks) and they don´t want to give out too much information to their competitors.
Next announcement of them would be in 2 weeks, start of shipping (If I´d be them and I´d be more or less ready to ship, I´d do it like this without announcing anything else before anymore).

Or sceanrio 2, they really can´t say cause of unknown variables (they don´t know if they get everything on time from their suppliers) and that would make it pretty unrealisitic that they start shipping in September.

-M4g!c

[eraziel]

The good part is that time is ticking away and in 5 weeks we will know if KnC will fulfill their promises or they will be placed next to avalon and BFL.
Either way, speculation will (hopefully) end.

[jelin1984]

scenario is one and only
no asic chips from knc
...
at end of 2013 is most possible to have the asic chips
so no roi
for anyone
only good lawyer
can help us

[timmmers]

IF you are worried sitting with a KnC order and seeing difficulty rise and other manufacturers gear announced....imagine the other way round, you're sitting with an order from one of the others and you're watching a much more likely delivery of lots and lots of hashing power from KnC likely to come online long before your gear is delivered.

When all these KnC rigs are running the damage to other companies customers ROI is going to be brutal.

[Gyrsur]

did you ever think about secret alignments between the ASIC producers in general. we saw a photo of KnC, BFL and Avalon.

I think it will make sense that everybody of them get a piece of the cake (customer money).

[The Avenger]

Sitting in the same boat with my right after day 2 order 2xxx, according to KNC, early October shipment.

October customers are pretty much toast how it seems, September buyers will make their ROI (assuming they start shipping in mid-september) and in November devices according to KNC´s statement will cost a lot less.

Imo, KNC should figure something out for customers who are sitting in this October sandwich, to honour the trust these folks showed with pre-ordering, at least if they start shipping late, .

I´m also wondering about, why KNC can´t (or they won´t?) tell excact shipping dates.
That´s especially for the October customers very important to know.

This is incredibly important.

Say your October order doesn't ship until 29th October. KNC massive price drop starts on November 1st. You order November 1st and you get it delivered November 3rd. So the late October orders will have probably cost, at a guess, $3000 more for only 5 days extra usage!

[timmmers]

Sitting in the same boat with my right after day 2 order 2xxx, according to KNC, early October shipment.

October customers are pretty much toast how it seems, September buyers will make their ROI (assuming they start shipping in mid-september) and in November devices according to KNC´s statement will cost a lot less.

Imo, KNC should figure something out for customers who are sitting in this October sandwich, to honour the trust these folks showed with pre-ordering, at least if they start shipping late, .

I´m also wondering about, why KNC can´t (or they won´t?) tell excact shipping dates.
That´s especially for the October customers very important to know.

This is incredibly important.

Say your October order doesn't ship until 29th October. KNC massive price drop starts on November 1st. You order November 1st and you get it delivered November 3rd. So the late October orders will have probably cost, at a guess, $3000 more for only 5 days extra usage!

If you pay current price and get it that late that few days is the least of your worries.
http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/1fdbbad2a6

[Templer]

The .cn Update from 21. of August is a different than the .com version.

http://kncminer.cn/news/demo-machine-shanghai/

FROM GOOGLE TRANSLATOR:

We will present you a genuine Shanghai Machine

In the end of September, we will present you in Shanghai genuine machine, then you will be able to experience the performance of the mining machine. If you want to be invited to visit the site, please register by QQ or mail. We will be randomly selected among all participants in September intimate contact with the prototype of places!

 

Refund Policy

 

Our regional headquarters in China was established only recently, but we still ensure that every user can get the best service. We understand that there are questions in the bitcoin community voices, so we are responsible to convey to you a clear and honest attitude is extremely important.

For recently received the order, we will arrange the shipment before the end of October. If we fail in a given time of delivery, the purchase price will be refunded. Please keep your proof of purchase for a refund instant access to your ordering information.

[sickpig]

The .cn Update from 21. of August is a different than the .com version.

http://kncminer.cn/news/demo-machine-shanghai/

FROM GOOGLE TRANSLATOR:

We will present you a genuine Shanghai Machine

In the end of September, we will present you in Shanghai genuine machine, then you will be able to experience the performance of the mining machine. If you want to be invited to visit the site, please register by QQ or mail. We will be randomly selected among all participants in September intimate contact with the prototype of places!

 

Refund Policy

 

Our regional headquarters in China was established only recently, but we still ensure that every user can get the best service. We understand that there are questions in the bitcoin community voices, so we are responsible to convey to you a clear and honest attitude is extremely important.

For recently received the order, we will arrange the shipment before the end of October. If we fail in a given time of delivery, the purchase price will be refunded. Please keep your proof of purchase for a refund instant access to your ordering information.

clever! I haven't even thought about monitoring chinese knc domain for changes, kudos.

[klee]

Here is my prediction (saw a dream last night ) -
KnC delivers as promised. For 1 month they are the new ASIC celebrity.

Then US and China sandwich them. For people on September orders all good.
October orders not good at all IMO. November too far away, probably KnC would be out by then.

I would advice October customers for refund, buy Labcoin!

While you wait for your money printing machines, I already doubled once, bought back and now more than double up again.

All is gambling here after all

[The Avenger]

Sitting in the same boat with my right after day 2 order 2xxx, according to KNC, early October shipment.

October customers are pretty much toast how it seems, September buyers will make their ROI (assuming they start shipping in mid-september) and in November devices according to KNC´s statement will cost a lot less.

Imo, KNC should figure something out for customers who are sitting in this October sandwich, to honour the trust these folks showed with pre-ordering, at least if they start shipping late, .

I´m also wondering about, why KNC can´t (or they won´t?) tell excact shipping dates.
That´s especially for the October customers very important to know.

This is incredibly important.

Say your October order doesn't ship until 29th October. KNC massive price drop starts on November 1st. You order November 1st and you get it delivered November 3rd. So the late October orders will have probably cost, at a guess, $3000 more for only 5 days extra usage!

If you pay current price and get it that late that few days is the least of your worries.
http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/1fdbbad2a6

I'm guessing all orders up to the end of July are due for September delivery?

According to the "KnCMiner list of orders", the last order in July was
distelgt   48xx   30 July

Of the 48xx order, let's guess that 3000 are fully paid for and in the order queue.

KNC have stated they can shift couple hundred units a day. So let's say 200 for the sake of argument. Considering they have to assemble and burn them in for at least 10 minutes each, this might be a generous estimate.

To ship all 3000 orders in September, they need to start shipping on 15th September.

If they don't work weekends, they need to start shipping 9th September.

If they don't start shipping until say 20th September, October orders are going to be mid to very late October 

And as M4g!c suggests, that means pretty much no chance of ROI for October orders.

[joae1975]

All I care about is when are they going to be at my door, what's the power supply, and what are the command lines?  I will not be surprised if they ship the last two days of September for days 1 & 2. Then hold off all October orders until the last week of October to ship.  That way the people who took the risk with early orders reap the rewards of their risk.

[klee]

Here is my prediction (saw a dream last night ) -
KnC delivers as promised. For 1 month they are the new ASIC celebrity.

Then US and China sandwich them. For people on September orders all good.
October orders not good at all IMO. November too far away, probably KnC would be out by then.

I would advice October customers for refund, buy Labcoin!

While you wait for your money printing machines, I already doubled once, bought back and now more than double up again.

All is gambling here after all

Yes we all want to make klee rich! That is the goal!

Tell that to Yifu!

[gkm22d]

I plan on mining with my Jupiter for a few weeks and then selling it for more than I paid for it. We'll see how that works out, but I can still mine with it while trying to sell, win win.