[4+ EH] Slush Pool (slushpool.com); Overt AsicBoost; World First Mining Pool

[rjk]

I noticed there are 13 or so Tor workers now where there were 0 just up til recently... Is there a new miner that supports working through Tor?  Or is there some way to mine through Tor using phoenix or cgminer?  Is there any thread more relevant to this that I could be pointed to?  Thanks!

Check the previous page on this thread, or the pool homepage for info on using Tor with this pool.

[slush]

I noticed there are 13 or so Tor workers now where there were 0 just up til recently... Is there a new miner that supports working through Tor?  Or is there some way to mine through Tor using phoenix or cgminer?  Is there any thread more relevant to this that I could be pointed to?  Thanks!

As far as I know, only poclbm works over Tor nicely. cgminer is too aggressive to work with Tor reasonable enough (I'm not hiding that I'm not happy with cgminer) and when I tested phoenix last time (1.6.x) it has connection issues even on standard connection .

[Sargasm]

Let's wait to DGM, ok?

Alrighty

I appreciate you taking the time to check things out I spent a couple hours normalizing figures and doing analysis.

I take it you are not a hopper and don't really understand how it works.  However, slush's scored rewards are calculated differently than a straight up prop pool   So, Hopping rewards less in this pool.  Plus, hoppers like to mine at the highest efficiency possible, so the opportunity cost is higher for this pool than other prop (not scored) pools.  Also, the larger the pool is, the less variance hoppers can benefit from...and this is a large pool.

Reward methods like PPLNS and  DGM do a better job at fairness for the miners than something you just thought of...  Loyalty shares...does that mean I will get emails and a special card to shop with?  Will you get a bumper sticker, too?  I am not sure I understood you proposal, but I feel like we would have to wear some sort of name tag.  You should open up a new thread, explain it better and see if a pool will adopt it...?  You will get mega credit!!!

Lol.  Ok, so I take it you didn't check out the analysis I did proving that pool hopping was affecting pay on short blocks.

And apparently, you're not literate enough to understand my idea, but you know those other ideas work better.

Wow.  I'm in the company of a genius.

[Sargasm]

I'll explain it to you like you're a five year old... we'll see if that helps.

Ok, jimmy... you see it's like there is a really tough puzzle that has to be figured out and when it is, everyone gets paid a portion of the total work for their efforts.

But there are some bad kids, jimmy.  These kids have figured out that if they only help right at the beginning, statistical averages mean that they will earn ~(this means approximately)20% more than by working on every puzzle till its done.

You see sometimes the puzzles take a long long time and are very difficult.  So by focusing only on brand new puzzles, they increase their chances of hitting a lucky one.

So instead, we're going to calculate a certain number of points that are a different class than the points you earn.  These points will be used to calculate your share and they will be based upon the amount you worked on the LAST puzzle.

This way, when bad kids want to play at your puzzle, since he wasn't there for the last puzzle, he won't make any money and he'll cry.  This is because when you add up the loyalty points and earned points, while the total scores amongst all the players that play every round will be proportionally equivalent , the bad kids score will be less.  If it is a very short round, it will be much less.

That way everyone that likes working hard will make more money!

Isn't that great jimmy?  Now run along and stop being such a fucking idiot.

[Sargasm]

Doubt this will help you out either... but here are some numbers that prove that miners are getting jacked for 15-20% of earnings on blocks shorter than 12 minutes. on average.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AhhejNMzWwx8dGpYZE9FYXk3d05MQjVDNUxLcHNXZkE&output=html

It proves that either A) pool hoppers are doing better than your massive brain thought they could... or B) for some reason slush is stealing from us, but only on short blocks.

[rjk]

Doubt this will help you out either... but here are some numbers that prove that miners are getting jacked for 15-20% of earnings on blocks shorter than 12 minutes. on average.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AhhejNMzWwx8dGpYZE9FYXk3d05MQjVDNUxLcHNXZkE&output=html

It proves that either A) pool hoppers are doing better than your massive brain thought they could... or B) for some reason slush is stealing from us, but only on short blocks.

Have you stopped to consider that perhaps no one cares? If you post this somewhere other than the main thread, it might get better exposure, and will stop cluttering this one up.

[martychubbs]

Wow.  I'm in the company of a genius.

Thanks Bro!

[martychubbs]

Doubt this will help you out either... but here are some numbers that prove that miners are getting jacked for 15-20% of earnings on blocks shorter than 12 minutes. on average.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AhhejNMzWwx8dGpYZE9FYXk3d05MQjVDNUxLcHNXZkE&output=html

It proves that either A) pool hoppers are doing better than your massive brain thought they could... or B) for some reason slush is stealing from us, but only on short blocks.

However, you make more on the long rounds for blocks greater than 12 minutes. on average...  Didn't you read my post? 

For you, let's make a new thread, but please vent there?  deal?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=60706.0

[slush]

but here are some numbers that prove that miners are getting jacked for 15-20% of earnings on blocks shorter than 12 minutes. on average.

No, your math is incorrect, basically because you didn't considered hashrate change. Again, there was a lot discussion about it and, honestly, I trust Meni's calculations much more than yours. You obviously DIDN'T read his paper, so please do it and stop spamming here. If you want to continue in the discussion, please open separate thread. I'm sorry that I'm angry, but I'm little tired of such "smart guys" entering the discussion in the middle, without reading the papers, math and discussion history.

[martychubbs]

DGM is my favorite non-prop reward method, however, there are different configurations of the variables in the current marketplace.  Here are Ozco.in Double Geometric Variables:

f=-0.25, c=0.2, o=0.8More

Information about this method can be found here:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=39497.0

Eclipse I think is different?

Slush, Have you thought of the DGV's you plan to use?

[cablepair]

Slush

just want to voice my opinion here, I mined my very first Bitcoin on your pool (and sold it for 0.85 cents! ) and mined probably in total 200 coins with you.

I personally think DGM sucks and will become less popular as the difficulty continues to go up.
Yes it's pool hop proof and "fair" but only really fair to a person if they want to dedicate themselves to mining with that pool and that pool only 24/7

I like your modified proportional score system - a lot of people do and I think you should stay with it , and if you really have to change, change it to a pure PPS like BTCGuild is doing.


thank you for listening

[disclaimer201]

Slush

just want to voice my opinion here, I mined my very first Bitcoin on your pool (and sold it for 0.85 cents! ) and mined probably in total 200 coins with you.

I personally think DGM sucks and will become less popular as the difficulty continues to go up.
Yes it's pool hop proof and "fair" but only really fair to a person if they want to dedicate themselves to mining with that pool and that pool only 24/7

I like your modified proportional score system - a lot of people do and I think you should stay with it , and if you really have to change, change it to a pure PPS like BTCGuild is doing.


thank you for listening

+1

There are many reasons miners can't be connected 24/7 to one pool. If I lose out everytime I have to do some maintenance or upgrade my miners that's no good. It's good to be loyal, in certain limits. If there really is even a 2% loss due to pool hoppers or invalid blocks/stales, pps with 4% fee may have an advantage due to predicatable income, payout times/0 variance/0% pool hopping loss.

[slush]

cablepair, disclaimer201, I think that DGM is pretty flexible method and it's more about selected parameters how it will work for particular users. Actually there's no reason to think that DGM will make much difference in rewards for average (non-hopping) pool user. Don't forget that current score method is also very "unfriendly" for miners who are disconnecting frequently, but both methods averages out after some time.

I still didn't run my own simulations of DGM on some real data, so I cannot tell for sure if I'll switch to DGM or not, but so far it looks like much advanced method than current score system.  Don't be affraid that I'll make any big change overnight. I prefer evolution more than revolution...

[kkurtmann]

i like Slush's current method

[digital]

Is something up with the btc payouts?  I just noticed the my confirmed reward is over my send threshold. 

I thought it might have just been a delay, but it looks like it's been that way for at least two blocks, maybe three now.

[rjk]

Is something up with the btc payouts?  I just noticed the my confirmed reward is over my send threshold. 

I thought it might have just been a delay, but it looks like it's been that way for at least two blocks, maybe three now.

Same here.

[cablepair]

I prefer evolution more than revolution...

That is one of the single most intelligent sentences I have ever seen on this forum.

[slush]

Is something up with the btc payouts?

I did some maintenance and stopped payouts for moment. Now it's working again, expect your payment in 15 minutes...

[digital]

Thanks Slush!

[majamalu]

Hi Slush! I am having a problem with rejected shares. With some of my cards rejected shares reach 15%. I tried all possible changes in the settings, without success. Then I tried disabling LP. I waited for an hour before restarting the rigs but didn't notice a significant improvement.

I'm using:
2 rigs with 3 6970 each one
Phoenix 1.7
aoclbf 1.75

¿Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks in advance for your help.