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February 26, 2014, 12:31:37 AM
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Eigentlich sollte man genau jetzt ne multisig Adresse bauen in der jeder seinen Anteil zur Party schon mal hinterlegt...
wobei... wenn dann einer in's Gras beisst ist auch doof :-)
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February 26, 2014, 12:54:46 AM
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900 BTC für 540,- Kauf. Da geht was heute Roll Eyes
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February 26, 2014, 01:02:13 AM
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900 BTC für 540,- Kauf. Da geht was heute Roll Eyes

ich weiss, es ist nicht ganz legal, aber ich bin super froh, dass mtgox Geschichte ist. Das wird viel schneller verarbeitet sein, als sich die meisten hier vorstellen können   Roll Eyes

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February 26, 2014, 01:08:34 AM
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Die dickgedruckten Hervorhebungen sind von mir und daher nicht original.

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[10:39] == JonWickedFire [IP REDACTED] has joined CHANNELNAME
[10:40] == mode/CHANNELNAME
[10:47] == MagicalTux [~MagicalTu@mtgox/staff/MagicalTux] has joined CHANNELNAME
[10:48] <JonWickedFire> Hey Mark.
[10:48] <JonWickedFire> Thanks for coming in.. I know you're a bit.. shaken up and stressed..
[10:51] <MagicalTux> hi
[10:51] <JonWickedFire> Are you doing okay?
[10:52] <MagicalTux> more or less
[10:52] <MagicalTux> it's 1am and tomorrow morning first time I have a lawyer appointment
[10:52] <MagicalTux> things couldn't be better
[10:52] <MagicalTux> (well, not tomorrow but today, now)
[10:53] <JonWickedFire> Yeah, you're in the future over there in Japan, lol.
[10:53] <MagicalTux> guys in NZ are even more in the future
[10:54] <JonWickedFire> Yeah two places I've wanted to visit but cringe at the flight time alone.
[10:55] <JonWickedFire> So I just wanted to talk to you on here, no pressure, you don't have to answer anything you don't want to. I'm not a journalist.
[10:55] <JonWickedFire> We've chatted before briefly. So you know a lil something on me.
[10:56] <MagicalTux> yep
[10:56] <JonWickedFire> And with all of what happened yesterday, even though I knew all of that, I didn't let me contacts at FOX Business publish it, because I didn't want to see bitcoin or gox going up in flames if it could be salvaged.
[10:57] <JonWickedFire> Obviously holding that info back and not publishing a tumblr or leaking docs first allowed someone else to stake a claim on it first.
[10:58] <JonWickedFire> But you win some you lose some.. and honestly, I'm not a fan of people posting things that are rumors or bullshit or not verified just because it damages the shit out of someone or a company... and it really cannot be taken back afterwards.
[10:58] <JonWickedFire> Is that Crisis Strategy Draft even legit?
[11:04] <MagicalTux> more or less
[11:05] <MagicalTux> as the name suggests it's a draft, and it's a bunch of proposals to deal with the issue at hand, not things that are actually planned and/or done
[11:06] <MagicalTux> this said this document was not produced by MtGox

[11:07] <JonWickedFire> I saw some strategies in there that I had shared with you, but also saw some things in there that I would have never suggested anyone ever go through with as it would make you look horrible..
[11:07] <JonWickedFire> I think a lot of people ignored the draft part.
[11:08] <JonWickedFire> It was just really surprising to see that being "leaked"..
[11:10] <JonWickedFire> Do you think it was leaked by someone purposely to hurt you personally or gox in general?
[11:13] <MagicalTux> [01:09:51] <JonWickedFire> Do you think it was leaked by someone purposely to hurt you personally or gox in general? <- I have some doubts
[11:14] <JonWickedFire> Heh, I bet.
[11:17] <JonWickedFire> Are you stepping down as CEO and away from gox too?
[11:17] <JonWickedFire> (If you can't legally disclose, then just say so)
[11:20] <MagicalTux> can't disclose that yet
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[11:20] <MagicalTux> yet
[11:20] <JonWickedFire> K np.
[11:22] <JonWickedFire> The reason I'm asking is because after yesterday's events of you removing yourself from the foundation and deleting the Twitter account/posts and all.. right away speculation within the bitcoin arena went into hyper chaotic mode, and the word on the street was that you were closing up shop and running away with all of their monies and bitcoin...
[11:22] <JonWickedFire> How does that make you feel to hear or see people you bailed out yourself and stood up for over the years, turn on you like that?
[11:22] <MagicalTux> not good
[11:24] <JonWickedFire> Mark, I know you're not one for expressing yourself, but here's your chance at it, because you really have stepped up before, and done things NO ONE else ever had.. or probably will again.. and it seems like all of it has been quickly forgotten and instead you're being labeled as the Madoff of bitcoin.
[11:25] <JonWickedFire> We're having this chat, and you're still in Japan at your apt/office and not in a cave somewhere, right?
[11:34] <JonWickedFire> Look Mark, you took mtgox and ran with it, built on it, stuck with it and took it to a level no one ever thought possible. When other exchanges were crippled, you stepped in and bailed them out or absorbed them to save the bitcoin market in general. In exchange it brought you a massive surge of customers and press that made you look like the hero of the day and then some.
[11:34] <JonWickedFire> But what most people forget too was that you weren't set up to handle this from the start..
[11:35] <MagicalTux> [01:25:02] <JonWickedFire> We're having this chat, and you're still in Japan at your apt/office and not in a cave somewhere, right? <- at home, with my cat being a pain sleeping on the keyboard
[11:35] <JonWickedFire> Yeah, doesn't sound like someone on the run with bags of money...
[11:37] <JonWickedFire> What's the plan now for you and mtgox?
[11:37] <MagicalTux> can't comment on that yet

[11:37] <JonWickedFire> Alright.
[11:37] <MagicalTux> (mostly because doing so could compromise our current efforts)
[11:38] <MagicalTux> imgur: the simple image sharer <- my cat pushing my keyboard, me pushing the keyboard back on the desk
[11:38] <JonWickedFire> So you guys are still actively trying to save it though?
[11:38] <MagicalTux> We haven't given up
[11:40] <JonWickedFire> You could have given up and walked away a bunch of times previously, but you always stuck it out... even though others have closed up and walked away, why have you continued to fight and work at it and not give up?
[11:41] <MagicalTux> "Giving up" is not part of how I usually do things

[11:42] <JonWickedFire> Do you want to tell your side of this a bit more?
[11:43] <JonWickedFire> Like what you've sacrificed or given up, personally? I have to imagine it's taken quite a toll on you.
[11:43] <MagicalTux> well, first I would guess is my health
[11:43] <JonWickedFire> What do you mean?
[11:44] <MagicalTux> took on more than 30kg since handling MtGox
[11:44] <MagicalTux> (compensating for stress by eating)
[11:47] <JonWickedFire> I'm guessing stress from lack of sleep too, like now..
[11:48] <MagicalTux> heh
[11:48] <MagicalTux> and drinking liters of coca cola
[11:48] <MagicalTux> how american
[11:48] <MagicalTux> (almost american, actually, since some people see coca cola as being non-american)
[11:52] <JonWickedFire> lol
[11:54] <MagicalTux> anyway
[11:54] <MagicalTux> I should try to get some sleep
[11:55] <MagicalTux> already 2am
[11:55] <MagicalTux> waking up in 4 hours
[11:55] <JonWickedFire> Err
[11:55] <JonWickedFire> One more thing..
[11:55] <MagicalTux> and starting to be tired of pushing my keyboard so it stays on the desk
[11:56] <JonWickedFire> Do you still believe in the viability of an unregulated digital currency like bitcoin tho?
[11:57] <MagicalTux> difficult
[11:57] <MagicalTux> tbqh the pressure we got from banks and governments makes things very hard

[11:58] <JonWickedFire> Do you think if it were regulated it would make it easier to work things out?
[11:58] <MagicalTux> partially
[11:58] <JonWickedFire> How so?
[11:59] <MagicalTux> well, first avoid being blocked by banks and governments around the world
[11:59] <MagicalTux> if regulated, it means that as long as you follow the regulations you're fine
[12:00] <JonWickedFire> The biggest question people really have asked though is are you personally vested in mtgox with your own btc?
[12:01] <JonWickedFire> And whether or not you, like everyone else, have taken a personal hit and are in the same boat as they are in terms of taking a loss/hit from the recent events?
[12:01] <MagicalTux> [02:00:59] <JonWickedFire> And whether or not you, like everyone else, have taken a personal hit and are in the same boat as they are in terms of taking a loss/hit from the recent events? <- any BTC I own personally were on MtGox
[12:02] <JonWickedFire> How much did you lose yourself?
[12:04] <MagicalTux> Well, technically speaking it's not "lost" just yet, just temporarily unavailable

[12:05] == MagicalTux [~MagicalTu@mtgox/staff/MagicalTux]
[12:05] == realname : Mark Karpeles
[12:05] == channels : CHANNELNAME
[12:05] == server : calvino.freenode.net [Milan, IT]
[12:05] == account : magicaltux
[12:05] == End of WHOIS
[12:05] <JonWickedFire> Well, how much is unavail for you?
[12:06] <MagicalTux> I'm not even sure

[12:06] <JonWickedFire> Guys on Reddit and WickedFire are running around posting screenshots of horror stories about how much bitcoin they have lost from this..
[12:06] <MagicalTux> didn't check my wallet before pushing the site offline
[12:07] <MagicalTux> anyway
[12:07] <MagicalTux> maybe I should go to sleep now
[12:07] <JonWickedFire> Anything else you'd like to say to everyone before all the pissed off people start going nuts, even more...?
[12:09] <MagicalTux> not really
[12:09] <MagicalTux> maybe just a link? something like that: Why do we fall? - 9GAG
[12:09] <MagicalTux> well, we'll see how this one goes anyway
[12:16] <JonWickedFire> Well, I'd like to chat more, but I know you're pushing to go to sleep.
[12:17] <JonWickedFire> And so long as you are saying you're not disappearing from this.. that's okay.
[12:17] <JonWickedFire> I still think you should say something more to all these people or at least reveal how much you've taken a hit for, personally..
[12:17] <JonWickedFire> It would show them that you are still on their side.
[12:19] <JonWickedFire> By the way, that whole removal from the foundation, did you decide to leave that before or after the chats with them to help save gox versus let it fail?

Quelle: http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/179038-my-conversation-mark-karpeles-mtgox-2.html#post2164682

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February 26, 2014, 01:21:06 AM
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Ob echt oder nicht, der Markt scheint es positiv zu interpretieren.

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Klingt wie: es is nich weg, hat halt nur ein anderer
Mark macht jetzt in CatCoin
Und was sind das für Tabletten auf dem Bild?
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February 26, 2014, 01:27:18 AM
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Well, technically speaking it's not "lost" just yet, just temporarily unavailable.

die gleichen Halbsätze gibt es seit 3 Monaten von bitfunder ohne das etwas passiert

btc 1JZC6AfStkJ32mmhEkTjnfHZSFUHHzFhmD
atb APdYw1DsN7zxgofHBq5cCgFFpjBY1MYDx5
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February 26, 2014, 01:29:30 AM
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im englischen forum heisst es, es wäre ein fake. aber mal sehen.
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February 26, 2014, 01:30:32 AM
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Well, technically speaking it's not "lost" just yet, just temporarily unavailable.

die gleichen Halbsätze gibt es seit 3 Monaten von bitfunder ohne das etwas passiert

bitfunder. halleluja das ich da noch rechtzeitig raus bin...

ich habs nicht mehr weiter verfolgt. du kommst nicht mehr an deine coins?
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February 26, 2014, 01:30:39 AM
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Well, technically speaking it's not "lost" just yet, just temporarily unavailable.

die gleichen Halbsätze gibt es seit 3 Monaten von bitfunder ohne das etwas passiert
gibt es bitfunder auch noch? hatte mit bitfunder nix mehr zu tun nachdem labrat mining alles in direkte shares umgewandelt hat und jeder glücklich ist Smiley
gibt wohl bestimmt nur probleme noch aktuell mit ukyo loan und so...?

edit: ach so die coins waren wohl gemeint (weexchange) zum glück war ich da rechtzeitig raus...roch den braten damals...
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February 26, 2014, 01:33:08 AM
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Zumindest das Bild mit der Katze wirkt echt. Allerding stört die französische Tastatur die Authentizität, aber die Zugangskarte zum Cerulean Tower macht es wieder gut.
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February 26, 2014, 01:37:50 AM
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Zumindest das Bild mit der Katze wirkt echt. Allerding stört die französische Tastatur die Authentizität, aber die Zugangskarte zum Cerulean Tower macht es wieder gut.
Er ist Franzose?
Und das sollte legitim sein, unser Amerikanischer Counterpart ist nur nicht begeistert davon dass er für das fox network arbeitet...
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February 26, 2014, 01:41:48 AM
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... aber ich bin super froh, dass mtgox Geschichte ist...

Glaube ich ehrlich gesagt noch nicht. Bis jetzt ist ja immer noch nicht klar was bei den spärlichen News reines FUD ist. Der gesicherte Wissensstand ist für mich genau der gleiche wie vor einigen Wochen, egal was für Gerüchte kursieren.

Das einzige was man Gox bis jetzt wirklich ankreiden kann, ist die desaströse Informationspolitik. Aber wenn sie ihre Probleme irgendwie in den Griff bekommen und wieder online gehen sollten, dann werden sie ganz schnell wieder in vorderster Reihe mitspielen. Ganz einfach aus dem Grund, dass es trotz aller Widrigkeiten Vertrauen erzeugt wenn sie zum zweiten Mal wie Phönix aus der Asche auferstehen und sich nicht mit den Coins aus dem Staub machen. Bei anderen dubiosen Börsen wie BTC-e würde mich letzteres nicht wundern wenn da was schief läuft.

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February 26, 2014, 01:54:45 AM
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Ich hab mir jetzt mal das ganze Interview durchgelesen und ich muss (leider) sagen das ich denke das es kein fake ist.

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February 26, 2014, 02:01:47 AM
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eigentlich müsste man die japanischen behörden aufmerksam machen, das er nicht das land verlassen darf, wissen sie aber bestimmt schon
aber das er nicht mit den coins weglaufen will spricht eigentlich dafür, das er wohl das land noch nicht verlassen hat, hätte ja mehr als genug zeit gehabt...

was ich aber nicht verstehe ist, das er das ganze 2 monate abgezogen hat, auch wenn er vielleicht nix böses vorhatte...
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February 26, 2014, 02:06:45 AM
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so wie ich das interpretiere hatte er wohl auch seine privaten coins auf gox liegen und diese sind nun ebenfalls weg bzw unavailable
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February 26, 2014, 02:09:07 AM
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so wie ich das interpretiere hatte er wohl auch seine privaten coins auf gox liegen und diese sind nun ebenfalls weg bzw unavailable
kann auch eine falsche behauptung sein, um sich ins bessere licht zu rücken...sagt nix aus
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February 26, 2014, 02:14:53 AM
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was ich aber nicht verstehe ist, das er das ganze 2 monate abgezogen hat, auch wenn er vielleicht nix böses vorhatte...

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February 26, 2014, 02:17:38 AM
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puh, ich bin mal gespannt was die "recovery rate" sein wird. kann mir nicht vorstellen das alle coins weg sein sollen.

best szenario wäre wohl eine übernahme und ein cut auf 40-50%

eventuell noch zusätzlich mit equity also einer zukünftigen umsatzbeteiligung
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February 26, 2014, 02:19:24 AM
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puh, ich bin mal gespannt was die "recovery rate" sein wird. kann mir nicht vorstellen das alle coins weg sein sollen.

best szenario wäre wohl eine übernahme und ein cut auf 40-50%

eventuell noch zusätzlich mit equity also einer zukünftigen umsatzbeteiligung
joa 50% wäre gut dann hätte ich 4 gox coins für 1200€ gekauft Cheesy
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