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Tracking... got.
My SP30s are on the way to my guy in Norway. Just in time for cooler temperatures.
HOOOO RAY!
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This has been previously stated by sp-tech and asking the same question(s) every day doesn´t relly get you anywhere.
Spondoolies is shipping units every day, backlog will be cleared as per their promises.
Actually I don't want to EMAIL SPtech again they are just too busy and there seems to be a LOT of time spent fighting the trolls off here so I figure a quick answer everyday is going happen given that dates are not given for shipping with any specificity. Hard to FIND that information given the rats nest of crap being posted about ROI etc AM vs SP31 etc etc just another pile of crap to wade through every few pages to find the info I want. Asked numerous times that SPTech to narrow down the time window on shipping so questions would be avoided. They should be able to at least put a 2 or 3 day window on when our miners should ship 2 weeks ahead or even more given they are very tight on the scheduling all the time. And what I mean by tight is that they usually hit their dates perfectly. ----- EDIT: Compensation email just in... thanks for that Barbara quite reasonable as expected. Looking forward to shipping news on the heels of that. |
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And now back to the customers and their issues...
GB shipping? How soon before they are all cleared off the books SPTech guys or Guy?
Can the speculators please post to SPECULATION and let customers have some room to get answers?
Orders should ship before Friday. That is the info I was looking for. Can we get all the graphs stowed somewhere? I get you want a dick swinging contest but how about you do that on your dimes not on ours eh? Start a THREAD on why you think SPTech is x or y and stay there with it. I just don't really want to listen to the same arguments over and over again. It would be great if this thread was more customer questions and sptech feedback and support than speculation on future difficulty etc. Suffice to say I would rather hear Guy talk about the FUTURE of mining as he actually has done the research in DEPTH. The armchair stuff I can do myself and it really isn't helping me with any future mining decisions because you are not providing any more information than I can find with a click of the mouse. SPTech does their homework and that is who I want to cheat off of come test time not some hack like me with no inside information and grudge against SPTech that is plainly motivated by some sort of need to dissuade people from buying things from the most reputable team so far in Bitcoin Mining. |
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How is it that you're always at the ready to reply to my posts when they refer to you after being absent for a spell?
Just because I don't throw up with my keyboard all over the forum does not mean I am not keeping tabs on what is going on. I am acutely aware of what is / is not happening with HashFast. Can I offer you an airsickness bag? |
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The worst part about all this is that Josh actually denied these conversations ever happened despite the obvious truth of them. It pissed me off that he has been such a liar. Hence the need to publicly out him. I am glad the bitcoin press has run with this. I am hoping all these companies get hung out to dry. They are robbing people blind and its imperative we keep the pressure on more than ever to expose them. They send faulty hardware to get a quick buck, all the while finding alternative methods to enrich themselves at our expense. AMT has their so called "cloud" mining operation on their site....for anyone who is interested, its a backroom of a warehouse with a bunch of miners they hand configure to mine with. No instant activation or the kind of features one would expect with a full service like that. We need more honest companies out there to do the right thing by their customers and to stop using pre-orders. The situation for some of these Thumbs Down companies seems to improve very little and the same things keep happening repeatedly. There is good reason not buy at Technobit or AMT given the recent trend. Marto.. update please.. Over 6 weeks now  Its one thing to be late.. but this is getting out of hand. Its not like your holding 20+th/s a sec or anything. That is just me. No telling how many others were in GB 1. This aint looking good man. I requested you keep us updated, and since then not a peep. I am hitting a wall. I paid on paypal and lord knows I do not want to reverse this charge, but you are going over. Luckily my cc covers me over that date. We need a serious update man.. shit looking slim here stateside. Joshua Zipkin Plays Santa Claus
Joshua tried to ship “naughty” customers their miners without PSUs in order to cut costs. He only stopped once his lawyers told him it could end up relating to a “faulty hardware claim.” He also isn’t sending units with tracking numbers because they’re “too lazy to do that.” He also claims that due to his decision to ship about 70 units without PSUs that the miners got held up in Hong Kong.
[7/30/2014 10:37:33 AM] Joshua: we halted them in Hong Kong because we made like a naughty and nice list of clients right and that’s how we formed the batches. The naughty list didn’t have PSUs.
[7/30/2014 10:37:59 AM] Joshua: the lawyers said we had to ship with PSUs so we bought PSUs and have been installing them in all day in Hong Kong
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[8/6/2014 2:42:52 PM] Joshua: cause we were going to ship several.. like 70 without PSUs cause [honestly] we don’t have [the] cash
[8/6/2014 2:43:11 PM] Joshua: the lawyers said it [could] relate to a faulty-hardware claim Even more phenomenal was that Marto and Josh were buddy buddy on trying to "FIX" AMT hardware issues right? That is the chat text I want to see leaked. BFL smells and so do a few others... can't trust half of the mining sellers at this point which says an awful lot about the nature of mining. |
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And now back to the customers and their issues...
GB shipping? How soon before they are all cleared off the books SPTech guys or Guy?
Can the speculators please post to SPECULATION and let customers have some room to get answers?
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Your posts and behavior certainly don't make me want to engage in a any kind of a transaction. Heck, I even saw the "shipping now" products on your website and I still thought "nah, they're still lying". Clearly, being the "bad boy" persona of bitcoin mining has worked for you somehow up to this point. And I'm sure the rise of BTC exchange rates hasn't hurt you either. But I fail to see your metrics on your behavior and your sales. I mean, you act like this 24x7x365. So your correlation of behavior and sales is akin to the rise and fall of the sun or the moon.
See, that's why I say we don't want someone like you as a customer. Anyone with the cognitive abilities to suss out truth from lies would realize what a ridiculous statement this is... yet you still fell prey to it, validating my initial judgement that you were exactly the wrong type of customer for us and would cost far more to retain than you would generate in revenue due to your need to have your hand held and palliative words whispered in your ear every other day. Most adults don't need constant hand holding, but dollars to donuts, you would. Thanks, but no. Much like all the other part time trollers, you'll be gone in a week, a month, a year... never to be heard from again and no one will remember or care what you had to say. I mean, the simple fact that I have to sleep at some point would show your statement to be completely ludicrous or hyperbole at best (which completely invalidates your argument in this context)... that's not to mention all the other times I am away from the forum for various reasons. In fact, I only stop in here when I'm bored and need a little entertainment at this point. Anyone with even a smattering of common sense would look at my post history and times and realize that your statement is complete bunk. |
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Hahahah love the name of the guide... although, you need to up your bias factor, you're clearly missing a signature campaign pushing a re-seller of some type. You left out all the ponzi, I mean cloud mining companies though... You'd need to state "legit" every other line though. The purchasing decision map in your signature is priceless though! Well done dude... hahahah nice.  That is all pure copy paste on the purchasing decision tree... Go check the BFL Fucked Us Over Again thread for that one great work . More BIAS? That is what the Caveat Emptor thread Gmaxwell wrote is for right? Don't buy miners at all basically that be pure 100% consumer advocacy I think but the community never reads good advice like that do they? Although this is a tongue and cheek thread there is some value in just avoiding the Thumbs Down if you still think buying miners is somehow a good idea. The best advice would seem to be look at ways to bootstrap the coin other than mining and find a niche you can carve out in cryptocurrencies well beyond Bitcoin and sell your services and wares. If you don't have cheap hydro and ambient temps that give you an advantage year round and the right hardware in significant volume then please don't do mining. How Late is the Monarch? |
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The situation for some of these Thumbs Down companies seems to improve very little and the same things keep happening repeatedly. There is good reason not buy at Technobit or AMT given the recent trend. Marto.. update please.. Over 6 weeks now Its one thing to be late.. but this is getting out of hand. Its not like your holding 20+th/s a sec or anything. That is just me. No telling how many others were in GB 1. This aint looking good man. I requested you keep us updated, and since then not a peep. I am hitting a wall. I paid on paypal and lord knows I do not want to reverse this charge, but you are going over. Luckily my cc covers me over that date. We need a serious update man.. shit looking slim here stateside. Joshua Zipkin Plays Santa Claus
Joshua tried to ship “naughty” customers their miners without PSUs in order to cut costs. He only stopped once his lawyers told him it could end up relating to a “faulty hardware claim.” He also isn’t sending units with tracking numbers because they’re “too lazy to do that.” He also claims that due to his decision to ship about 70 units without PSUs that the miners got held up in Hong Kong.
[7/30/2014 10:37:33 AM] Joshua: we halted them in Hong Kong because we made like a naughty and nice list of clients right and that’s how we formed the batches. The naughty list didn’t have PSUs.
[7/30/2014 10:37:59 AM] Joshua: the lawyers said we had to ship with PSUs so we bought PSUs and have been installing them in all day in Hong Kong
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[8/6/2014 2:42:52 PM] Joshua: cause we were going to ship several.. like 70 without PSUs cause [honestly] we don’t have [the] cash
[8/6/2014 2:43:11 PM] Joshua: the lawyers said it [could] relate to a faulty-hardware claim |
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The point is this.
Take the offer for compensation.
Don't take the offer for compensation and ask for more.
Or continue being assholes and ignore the offer and beg the community overtly and covertly to smear the seller.
Option three is where these assholes have gone even though there has been a lot of sincerity on the sellers part to find a resolution.
What happened happened. Either shit or get off the bloody pot but don't ignore the offers that have been made.
The buyer and his "brother" here at this point have no interest in a resolution and it is clear they are going to attempt to extort more by way of smearing the sellers reputation.
Again what is the HISTORY of the seller?
Are there many instances where he was trying to "scam" others or this only case where the buyer has taken the perspective that he is a scammer. Given the evidence there are plenty of people who have dealt with Beastlymac and have had a good experience. Some not good but he has tried to make restitution and admitted his errors. What more is there? I think there is more going on here than a customer seeking a refund. It is a hatchet job at this point plain as day and the reason people should avoid doing business with these types of people. The BUYER is not someone I would sell to because he is unwilling to find a resolution.
In this case it is also a SELLER BEWARE situation not just a BUYER BEWARE.
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their hardware is OVERPRICED. (period)
Compared to what? Gh/s $ is what? What are the competitors prices? Now what does it cost to make this sort of machine? What is a reasonable amount of profit to make on them? How long does it take to get the "latest cutting edge" chip to market? ---- Buy enough get the discount. Buy enough electricity get the discount. Buy or rent a large enough space get the discount. Pack your units as densely as possible and cool em with something other than air get a bump in hash rate. ========== At this point no one is going to get a "deal" on one SP31. Suffice to say if you are looking at buying only one you need to get out of mining. This whole argument is based on single unit sale. No single miner is going to get you anything but noise and an unhappy wife. As Guy said... unlikely to GB's again. Too bad got some great "discounts" on that buy thanks SPTech on essentially a TINY FRACTION of what they sell. We were fortunate to get the pricing we did and I am sure the compensation will be adequate given the other discounts we received. Again the alternatives are clear. There is a difference in what SPTech is offering and that goes to the very nature of network hash rate. Do you want to presale and get your unit fresh first or "premine" units that are "instock"? Your call that is all that is on offer. Need to pool a lot more money together to get the prices you are seeking on hardware, electricity, space and cooling. |
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Hi guys,
would some veteran member here care about setting up group buy for October SP31 Yukon (B1) - $3,920.00/miner @3kW ? I guess we might be able to get a better price per miner for late October than 4K ... What do you say? Would there be any interest in GB ?
Thanks in advance.
The only people that will benefit from paying retail price for an SP31 are the ones that get free electricity and are adding to their already large hashing power paying for the rig from already minted coins. If you are paying out of pocket and just starting, you probably won't break even or just barely. You'll need to stay ahead of the curve, which is almost impossible since hardware is expensive and manufacturers have everyone by the balls. +1 Always been the case... things are somewhat better than AM vs Avalon vs BFL days. There are more options. Problem is 4 to 6 months development timeline for more efficient chips results in no benefits to the end user or small customer. The days of those with a few dollars to spend on mining getting into the game is about 6 to 12 months past. Unless you are using miners for something other than BTC mining and punting on some other Altcoin hoping for it to go to the moon then as Opentoe suggests there is little value in buying miners. There is even less value in rig rentals or cloud mining and less again in derivatives or mining futures very very risky. Although Coinarch is an interesting venture check that one out https://www.coinarch.com/ where you can long / short bitcoin actually met their team in HK they do have a great financial background. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfegChSSxxY Then again just go buy some cheaper bitcoin and hang on for the yo yo ride. |
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No war at all. I consider AM good to the eco-system, assuming they won't revert to massive self mining.
I even tried to reached out several times and met David.
Guy
I don't doubt that. Although the rhetoric is harsh at times from the surrogates. |
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You're welcome. It always pleasure to have another AM SH (Board member?) visiting our little thread.
Share some gossips: What's the status of BE3500 ?
Send my regards to David and FC.
Guy
Pew pew ... pew pew... The war never ends I see. |
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Would have been better if you owned it, instead of lying about this, you already know how pissed I already was about this situation which I kept private, but since you decided to lie here I will address it with proof. It is really obvious the guy rejected it he wrote it on the damn box. You simply got lucky and rerouted the package to me since it was close by. The internet is a wonderful tool for information as I also have the tracking numbers which now everyone does to and can validate what I just said if they look at it on the box. This is a photo of the writing on the box by DHL apparently...the very first photo I took as I got them off the truck. Pretty easy to match up with the first photo if you flip it 180. And for further proof he was not in the next zip code over. He was in the next county over which is 40 minutes away. I have a DHL hub less than 20 minutes from my house. So please stop. I have been patient but you have been lying to everyone from day one and you dig a deeper hole each time with each lie. I had hoped to avoid this drama but you really painted the target on this one knowing how much of a sore matter it was for me. I tried working with you but at the same time you have been dishonest with everyone. I have been trying to give an objective review on your hardware as all said it seems very well built, but the problem is you cannot stop lying to people. And that is why things are playing out. Until you make ALL of this right with all of us, you will always have this following you in every endeavor. I have said it repeatedly in private and I am saying it now in public.
Ya so that be the nail in the coffin right. At this point I can see helping other people who were burned by AMT with this thread to help them recoup whatever they can but NEVER EVER BUY FROM AMT or anything remotely associated with this abortion of a "company" and their criminal executives. |
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Bicknellski, know that your efforts here are appreciated! Kudos to you on behalf of the mining community!
We all do our part I hope and thanks for the mention. This is always a communal effort to help the community, especially new people in bitcointalk, avoid pitfalls of those companies who are really in this game to maximize their profit at the expense of the consumer then fail to provide hardware on time and to spec as promised. If you use the Thumbs Up companies you will have less problems. We all know this if you have spent any time on these forums. It might be overly simplistic but you know what it works. |
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Buying from any manufacturer with farm just hastened the centalrization of the network.
BitFury, KNC, Cointerra, Bitmaintech.
If one of those will think it got technology and cost advantage they'll stop selling and do only self mining. They're using hardware sell as a mean towards increasing their own farm percentage in the total network hash-rate.
Buying from any of the above is scarifying the long term for short term gain.
Guy
Very important to note that aspect. It benefits everyone, except those companies, if we buy from Spondoolies-Tech like fabricators only if there are enough customers that can spread that hash rate out... are there really enough customers to do that and effectively help decentralize the network? I hope there are but the problem would persist if you have 1 or 2 significantly large customers of SPTech and I don't think you would mind selling to such customers right? |
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You did an impressive catchup but both statements are untrue.
I don't consider the groupbuy a commercial success. It was a good PR at the time though:
- We're honoring the 200 units price pointe although considerably less than 200 were paid for.
- RoadStress donated 90% of the reservation fees.
I don't intend to repeat such GBs in the near future. We'll honour all our obligations including August shipping, Titan hosting and compensation for the missing hash-rate.
Guy
Again thanks for that Guy. Still waiting patiently for news. |
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Let us clean it up further. Has compensation been offered? Yes. Has it been accepted? No. Why? When you don't accept the offer for compensation what is the end goal: Is it extortion? Is it seeking a more equitable solution? Or is it to inflict more defamation on the "Seller" regardless of the compensation offered so that you can put the "Seller" out of business permanently? Given the vigor with which the "Customer" and the "Brother" refuse to discuss receiving compensation I suspect there is no resolution available because their goal is not fair compensation. Who else has had problems with Beastlymac and what were the resolution he had for those other errors and mistakes? There seems to be more evidence in the group buy threads for solutions being offered and accepted than endless back and forth discussions like this thread in the forums. Are we looking at 1 customer that can't accept a resolution or are we looking at a pattern? ---------- When an error is made and the "Seller" tries to rectify it and the "Customer" continually clouds and misrepresents the "Seller",(as documented here in this thread), and does not take the compensation at some point you have to take responsibility as a "Customer" to find the best solution and move on. In this case it is clear that the "Customer" is not acting in good faith given that the "Seller" is trying to make amends. The reason I called this extortion is that neither the "Customer" or the "Brother" are acting in good faith. The reason for it at this stage is not as important as the resolution. At this stage the "Customer" is not interested in resolution but rather continuing to misrepresent the "Seller" as shown in the documents and posts so far. Further the "Brother" continues an overt and covert campaign to slander the "Seller" and to misrepresent the facts as shown in the posts below. Pushing members on the trust rating system to discredit the "Seller" further. At this point there is a solution on the table and that is where the negotiations should be focused. If it isn't focused there then I suspect that this is more than just extorting more from the "Seller" beyond the offered compensation but rather to render the "Seller's" reputation beyond repair and out of selling altogether. Why? What is the reasoning for that given the "Seller" is trying to make amends for his errors? Here is the bottomline. The "Customer" has been offered compensation and is neither refusing it nor accepting it but rather continues to argue about the semantics of the problem. The "Seller" has offered a "reasonable" compensation on numerous occasions only to be rebuked and rebuffed in those attempts. So what we have is a "Customer" unwilling to resolve the problem. If this were sent to a mediator it would have been over months ago but given the "Customer's" actions it is clear it will not end even when compensation has been provided. Clearly the "Customer" is seeking to sue for the "stolen smell" hopefully the "Customer" will receive only sound of money at this point because that is all he deserves. End this already. "
One of the most famous stories is called The Case of the Stolen Smell where he heard the case of a paranoid innkeeper who accused a poor student of literally stealing the fumes of his cooking by eating when the innkeeper was cooking to flavour his dull food. Although his colleagues advised Ōoka to throw the case out as ridiculous, he decided to hear the case. The judge resolved the matter by ordering the student to pass the money he had in one hand to his other and ruling that the price of the smell of food is the sound of money." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3wPn7iLCa8 |
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