Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[soy]

At this point I'd like to have at least a couple of controller boards.
edit: And BeagleBoards, but I can get those quickly and easily.

Ah ha!  Somehow I came to understand a "controller" board, attached to the BBB, is something other than the main board that the ASIC modules are mounted on.

So, is it a simple matter to remove the KnC stock BBB and add a standard BBB having a 5v barrel connector, a USB port and the RJ45 connector?  I assume one can add to the apt source list and get programs for wifi if one has a mind to.

No it would seem you still have it wrong.  Each miner comes with a BB plus a custom controller designed and built by KNC.  The BB connects to the controller board and the controller board has 4 (6 on some versions) connectors to the individual ASIC boards.

Mercury:   BB ----> Custom Controller -----> 1x ASIC board
Saturn:   BB ----> Custom Controller -----> 2x ASIC board
Jupiter:   BB ----> Custom Controller -----> 4x ASIC board

The BB is black portion mounted upside down in the middle.  The rest is a custom KNC design.  The board brings up a lot of interesting questions.  There are connectors for a second BB on the left.  The square on the right is almost certainly an FPGA although KNC blured the model out (a customer could take an unblurred photo).    Looks like the BB communicates with the FPGA which acts as a data manager for the individual mining boards.

So, unplugging the BBB and swapping it out for a stock BBB, then running a USB cord out of the box with a USB wifi tethered might be possible.

[tolip_wen]

So, the controller board won't mount on another BBB, one yet having a USB port, say for wifi?

That wasn't the issue.  

A Jupiter consists of:
1 case (easily replaced or exchanged)
1 BB (bought off the shelf)
1 custom controller board (can only be obtained from KNC or reverse engineered)
4 ASIC boards, data cables, power cables, and heatsinks (easily split into 2 smaller units)

To split a 4 board system into 2x two board systems would require 2 custom controller boards.  Getting an extra BB off the shelf is easy to do but it isn't going to do much unless you happen to have another customer controller board lying around.  If KNC had a "spare parts" website where one could buy an extra controller board then it would be very easy to reconfigure the design into multiple systems.

The mainboard does have what looks to me like a location to mount an additional BBB.
https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-39

This was discussed 100-300 pages ago. Idetic?

The videos of the boards being manufactured shows 2 cutouts for the RJ45 connector.
One is visible in the pic and one is hidden under the BBB.

You will obviously need to use a modified Angstrom, possibly different from BBB #1 Angstrom.
You probably need to reprogram the FPGA to work with 2 BBB.

You will definately void your warranty if you try.
You could easily BRICK your whole miner.

YMMV
Have fun!

[Xialla]

KnC originally promised Jupiter at 250Gh/s for $7k.

sure, 7k without VAT and delivery during end of summer.)

Actually Xialla it was 250Gh/s delivered in 'early Autumn';

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=187428.0

Google states the following;

The astronomical fall (Northern Hemisphere) 2013 began on;

Sunday, September 22


and ends on;

Friday, December 20

...to allow the purchase of our first set of ASIC miners. They are in the early stages of development now and will be ready in the summer of 2013 (yes in just a few months)

Actually Bitcoinorama it was in 'in the summer';

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.0

and really don't care about your searching skills with google. just read OP.

[erschiessen]

KNC are shit hot Engineers (but engineers should not run companies) , there reputation as a company is what people will remember, how they treated their customers is what people will remember.

the 2 principals of KNC are not engineers.  they are businessmen.

which is why i went with HF.  Simon is a brilliant engineer along with his team of at least 4 asic engineers and now more.  i've lost track of the actual number.

Your hijacking this thread to tout hashfast is terrible and you should be ashamed.  That said, but, if you were to suggest to someone who knows nothing about hashfast what the best hashfast miner to put money in RIGHT NOW, what would you suggest?  At what website?  And in the future?

Half-Fast is so shit, that cypherdouche has to troll in a competitors thread.
He's a zero member, not a hero by any stretch.
Meanwhile KnC and their shills are taking the high road in the battle between manufacturers.

While I am not happy that my KnC 1-500 miner is gimpy because of a flamed out board, I still have gear at my disposal.
I am in the minority, but I am proof that KnC makes gear. The parts that work, work like a mofo, for me.
Half-Fast has nothing that makes hashes.
Mierda.

Then, Half-fast pulls a BFL and hires some nobody cocksucker to denegrate anyone that isn't Half-Fast.

If they act like BFL in an internet forum (where there are only ideas floating about), would anyone wager that they will not do the same with people's money?

I can readily understand if someone slaps down a good deal of money on miners after doing research, that the purchase will have imbued loyalty, deserved or otherwise.  It validates the buyer's choice.  Doesn't make him an employee.

Cypherdouche started a thread "Half-Fast Endorsement" - it resides 6 pages back - and in one of the very first posts in that thread, cypherdouche admits that he is acting as a mercenary, endorsing Half-Fast only because he is getting paid.
He stated that he wouldn't have endorsed them without compensation.
Cypherdouche then comes to this thread, pretending to be a network protector hero concern troll.
In fact, he acts more like a predator... trying to take out a perceived weak KnC and hoping to lure bitcoin kiddies into his white Half-Fast van.

He is just another wannabe Inaba, except with no gear at all to show for the douche-nicity.

[faetos]

This thread is really unhealthy. It's time to put a stake in it and kill it for good.

[soy]

KNC are shit hot Engineers (but engineers should not run companies) , there reputation as a company is what people will remember, how they treated their customers is what people will remember.

the 2 principals of KNC are not engineers.  they are businessmen.

which is why i went with HF.  Simon is a brilliant engineer along with his team of at least 4 asic engineers and now more.  i've lost track of the actual number.

Your hijacking this thread to tout hashfast is terrible and you should be ashamed.  That said, but, if you were to suggest to someone who knows nothing about hashfast what the best hashfast miner to put money in RIGHT NOW, what would you suggest?  At what website?  And in the future?

Half-Fast is so shit, that cypherdouche has to troll in a competitors thread.
He's a zero member, not a hero by any stretch.
Meanwhile KnC and their shills are taking the high road in the battle between manufacturers.

While I am not happy that my KnC 1-500 miner is gimpy because of a flamed out board, I still have gear at my disposal.
I am in the minority, but I am proof that KnC makes gear. The parts that work, work like a mofo, for me.
Half-Fast has nothing that makes hashes.
Mierda.

Then, Half-fast pulls a BFL and hires some nobody cocksucker to denegrate anyone that isn't Half-Fast.

If they act like BFL in an internet forum (where there are only ideas floating about), would anyone wager that they will not do the same with people's money?

I can readily understand if someone slaps down a good deal of money on miners after doing research, that the purchase will have imbued loyalty, deserved or otherwise.  It validates the buyer's choice.  Doesn't make him an employee.

Cypherdouche started a thread "Half-Fast Endorsement" - it resides 6 pages back - and in one of the very first posts in that thread, cypherdouche admits that he is acting as a mercenary, endorsing Half-Fast only because he is getting paid.
He stated that he wouldn't have endorsed them without compensation.
Cypherdouche then comes to this thread, pretending to be a network protector hero concern troll.
In fact, he acts more like a predator... trying to take out a perceived weak KnC and hoping to lure bitcoin kiddies into his white Half-Fast van.

He is just another wannabe Inaba, except with no gear at all to show for the douche-nicity.

ok

[cypherdoc]

KNC are shit hot Engineers (but engineers should not run companies) , there reputation as a company is what people will remember, how they treated their customers is what people will remember.

the 2 principals of KNC are not engineers.  they are businessmen.

which is why i went with HF.  Simon is a brilliant engineer along with his team of at least 4 asic engineers and now more.  i've lost track of the actual number.

Your hijacking this thread to tout hashfast is terrible and you should be ashamed.  That said, but, if you were to suggest to someone who knows nothing about hashfast what the best hashfast miner to put money in RIGHT NOW, what would you suggest?  At what website?  And in the future?

Half-Fast is so shit, that cypherdouche has to troll in a competitors thread.
He's a zero member, not a hero by any stretch.
Meanwhile KnC and their shills are taking the high road in the battle between manufacturers.

While I am not happy that my KnC 1-500 miner is gimpy because of a flamed out board, I still have gear at my disposal.
I am in the minority, but I am proof that KnC makes gear. The parts that work, work like a mofo, for me.
Half-Fast has nothing that makes hashes.
Mierda.

Then, Half-fast pulls a BFL and hires some nobody cocksucker to denegrate anyone that isn't Half-Fast.

If they act like BFL in an internet forum (where there are only ideas floating about), would anyone wager that they will not do the same with people's money?

I can readily understand if someone slaps down a good deal of money on miners after doing research, that the purchase will have imbued loyalty, deserved or otherwise.  It validates the buyer's choice.  Doesn't make him an employee.

Cypherdouche started a thread "Half-Fast Endorsement" - it resides 6 pages back - and in one of the very first posts in that thread, cypherdouche admits that he is acting as a mercenary, endorsing Half-Fast only because he is getting paid.
He stated that he wouldn't have endorsed them without compensation.
Cypherdouche then comes to this thread, pretending to be a network protector hero concern troll.
In fact, he acts more like a predator... trying to take out a perceived weak KnC and hoping to lure bitcoin kiddies into his white Half-Fast van.

He is just another wannabe Inaba, except with no gear at all to show for the douche-nicity.

dude, you have anger issues.

you're going to blow an aneurysm if you're not careful.

[dhenson]

It looks like I may have spoken too soon.  It has now stopped sending shares completely... 2 min offline but the portal says running.

It's almost as if it just switched back to the KNC pool on it's own (remembering the previous settings and resetting to them), without being able to see the pool hashing I can't tell for sure.

[Bargraphics]

It looks like I may have spoken too soon.  It has now stopped sending shares completely... 2 min offline but the portal says running.

It's almost as if it just switched back to the KNC pool on it's own (remembering the previous settings and resetting to them), without being able to see the pool hashing I can't tell for sure.

That's exactly what was happening, it goes back to the previous pool.

I'd say just keep trying and hope it holds.

You can try putting in your backup pool now, when it fails/kicksover again it should go to your main pool. Tricking it .

Rest assured that I reported this issue as well so KnC is aware of it. Keep us posted if you fix it

[Phoenix1969]

They removed the usb from the bbb because it doesnt work with the miner.... good luck

[danhu]

Meanwhile, back at the farm:

http://s16.postimg.org/82dgs45lx/Capture.jpg

Dat's 2117 TH/s.

it will hit 3PH soon

[rolling]

Meanwhile, back at the farm:



Dat's 2117 TH/s.

it will hit 3PH soon

That's scary because KNC hasn't delivered anything new.  Who put up all that hashing power today?

[Mogumodz]

Meanwhile, back at the farm:



Dat's 2117 TH/s.

it will hit 3PH soon

That's scary because KNC hasn't delivered.  Who put up all that hashing power today?

It was meeeeeeeeeeeee!

*I wish*

[soy]

They removed the usb from the bbb because it doesnt work with the miner.... good luck

Thanks.  I ordered a BBB earlier tonight.  Am unfamiliar with the flavor linux.  If nothing else I can shut down one of my laptops presently running bfgminer and stratum-proxy.

[soy]

Meanwhile, back at the farm:



Dat's 2117 TH/s.

it will hit 3PH soon

That's scary because KNC hasn't delivered anything new in a week.  Who put up all that hashing power today?

If KnC does do a relatively large shipment on a single day we should see it reflected in network hashrate as an unusual blip.  Might be usable to distinguish the effect of KnC additions from others. 

[Biomech]

solo mining is way off topic here

And THAT somehow matters to you all of a sudden?

LMAO let he who is without off-topic FUD throw the first stone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thiTa8wfZsc

Who cares if it's off topic FUD, I'm throwing cannonballs!

(sorry, couldn't resist. Or at least didn't.)

[uski]

They removed the usb from the bbb because it doesnt work with the miner.... good luck

I really wonder :
- WHY they removed it
- WHAT they precisely removed from the BBB PCB

Removing a connector, or having a special run of BBB without the connector, adds complexity to the process.
If KnC did that, they must have a really serious reason.
Or maybe there was a shortage of USB connectors, but I don't believe this.

If they removed only the connector, AND there was no reason to remove it (unlikely), then it should be easy to add a connector and plug a USB device.
If anyone feels brave enough to do it, let us know how it turns out

Same for the mini HDMI connector, it looks like it's been removed : it would be nice to connect a small LCD screen to show cgminer.
It might require some small changes to the firmware so that the "screen" process running cgminer outputs to the framebuffer, but that can be done.

I'd love to work on all this, but I need to get my miner first.

[rolling]

Meanwhile, back at the farm:



Dat's 2117 TH/s.

it will hit 3PH soon

That's scary because KNC hasn't delivered anything new in a week.  Who put up all that hashing power today?

If KnC does do a relatively large shipment on a single day we should see it reflected in network hashrate as an unusual blip.  Might be usable to distinguish the effect of KnC additions from others. 

There has been a ~200 TH/s increase in the last 24-36 hours.  Wonder if KNC is mining with our miners to pay the compensation they promised to the hosted units. Still waiting on a tracking number for my Day 2 here.

[Biomech]

KnC CHOSE ad nauseum

And every one of their customers CHOSE to buy into an unproven company in an unproven market. Do you cry to Best Buy when you bleed from buying a Cutting Edge 4k TV and there's no content widely available? Probably so, nm.

Depends: Did it get delivered on time so that I could have used my 4k receiver and my PS with it? (Which I bought extra for it?)

Probably on whether you bought it from Sony or a company who 6 months ago did not exist. For starters.

If no one buys from companies younger than 6 months there would be no economy. Nowhere. Your argument is invalid, I am sorry. Also, for future reference: Ad NauseAm .

Well I didn't expect it to be you to take the spelling bait, but whatever.
There are plenty of large companies who do absolutely 0 business in their first year, so by definition if my argument is invalid so is yours. But that seems to be what this thread is all about now, so I'm sure you pine in with some BS opinions about general economics and other crap. Dejected sigh.

I'd have to say you both have valid points. MHS, you are right in your assessment, and Mota, your observation. Problem is you're arguing two seperate issues and conflating them.

If nobody will take a risk on a new product, then there will be no new product. If nobody will take a risk on a new company, there will be government intervention on behalf of the bankers no new companies.

Either way, you assume some risk, and sometimes it bites you.

Granted, I have no skin in this game, just a lot of interest. But for whatever it may be worth, I expected their rollout to be far worse. And this is the horse I would have backed.

I think they should hire a serious PR staff, and like those "large" companies, keep the engineers AWAY from microphones, forums, etc. Engineers build shit. Most of them can't sell shit unless the market is on fire, and they tend to overestimate their abilities. No, I'm not saying they lie, I'm saying that they get enthused and fail to account for Mr. Murphy or Feed Justin Case. Justin's a good guy when he ain't hungry, and Murphy is the devil's nightmare. There is good reason why most managers are NOT tech people. They are able to abstract themselves from the project and see the wide world a bit clearer. KnC needs some of those people. I think their development team is nothing short of spectacular, but they have operated their business like rank amateurs. They are clearly very smart people. I hope they learn from this and fix the glaring errors going forward. I suspect they will.

Also, never forget that the established companies screw the pooch too. Anybody remember the IBM PS/2?

[erschiessen]

I notice you didn't try to deny my accusations.

Ciao, baby!