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A problem greece cant fix it based on production.
They have no export/import things from their own country. Meanwhile china, we all love almost everything we have here in the U.S is "Made in China" so it creates millionaires for them.
Greece is nothing but a tourist attraction, unless they understand their own mechanics to the problem.
Well, if they don't export anything, then Bitcoin theoretically would be precisely the type of currency the Greek people should want to adopt. It goes up in value over the long run as well their purchasing power. Just sit back and consume. Bitcoin still doesn't save them. They could buy up the bitcoins with whatever euros they have on hand, but then they'll still need to spend their bitcoins. If they are trying to spend more than they earn - no matter what currency is involved - eventually they'll run out of money. I think you're missing the bigger picture. The first country that introduces an honest currency should prosper. People who may have never found it worthwhile to work or strive in the past will for the first time have an incentive to participate in a real economy not distorted by corrupt monetary policy. Individuals will prosper, but countries will not. It's not possible for a nation-state to survive in the presence of honest money.
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March 01, 2015, 02:01:05 AM |
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A problem greece cant fix it based on production.
They have no export/import things from their own country. Meanwhile china, we all love almost everything we have here in the U.S is "Made in China" so it creates millionaires for them.
Greece is nothing but a tourist attraction, unless they understand their own mechanics to the problem.
Well, if they don't export anything, then Bitcoin theoretically would be precisely the type of currency the Greek people should want to adopt. It goes up in value over the long run as well their purchasing power. Just sit back and consume. Bitcoin still doesn't save them. They could buy up the bitcoins with whatever euros they have on hand, but then they'll still need to spend their bitcoins. If they are trying to spend more than they earn - no matter what currency is involved - eventually they'll run out of money. I think you're missing the bigger picture. The first country that introduces an honest currency should prosper. People who may have never found it worthwhile to work or strive in the past will for the first time have an incentive to participate in a real economy not distorted by corrupt monetary policy. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Good one. The "corrupt monetary policy" is what has afforded them the social welfare they're adamant on substaining. Bitcoin risks taking away all of these "entitlements" away. Bitcoin will never be accepted with open arms by "the masses". Btc is meant to be ideal money.. Thats geared towards mass acceptance regardless of govt
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March 01, 2015, 03:00:28 AM |
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A problem greece cant fix it based on production.
They have no export/import things from their own country. Meanwhile china, we all love almost everything we have here in the U.S is "Made in China" so it creates millionaires for them.
Greece is nothing but a tourist attraction, unless they understand their own mechanics to the problem.
Well, if they don't export anything, then Bitcoin theoretically would be precisely the type of currency the Greek people should want to adopt. It goes up in value over the long run as well their purchasing power. Just sit back and consume. Bitcoin still doesn't save them. They could buy up the bitcoins with whatever euros they have on hand, but then they'll still need to spend their bitcoins. If they are trying to spend more than they earn - no matter what currency is involved - eventually they'll run out of money. I think you're missing the bigger picture. The first country that introduces an honest currency should prosper. People who may have never found it worthwhile to work or strive in the past will for the first time have an incentive to participate in a real economy not distorted by corrupt monetary policy. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Good one. The "corrupt monetary policy" is what has afforded them the social welfare they're adamant on substaining. Bitcoin risks taking away all of these "entitlements" away. Bitcoin will never be accepted with open arms by "the masses". Btc is meant to be ideal money.. Thats geared towards mass acceptance regardless of govt I think you drank too much of the trainscarwreck kool aid. It will not be accepted by the masses, the ones who profit from current welfare state and status quo, it will be forced upon them.
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"I believe this will be the ultimate fate of Bitcoin, to be the "high-powered money" that serves as a reserve currency for banks that issue their own digital cash." Hal Finney, Dec. 2010
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sidhujag
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March 01, 2015, 06:17:53 AM |
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A problem greece cant fix it based on production.
They have no export/import things from their own country. Meanwhile china, we all love almost everything we have here in the U.S is "Made in China" so it creates millionaires for them.
Greece is nothing but a tourist attraction, unless they understand their own mechanics to the problem.
Well, if they don't export anything, then Bitcoin theoretically would be precisely the type of currency the Greek people should want to adopt. It goes up in value over the long run as well their purchasing power. Just sit back and consume. Bitcoin still doesn't save them. They could buy up the bitcoins with whatever euros they have on hand, but then they'll still need to spend their bitcoins. If they are trying to spend more than they earn - no matter what currency is involved - eventually they'll run out of money. I think you're missing the bigger picture. The first country that introduces an honest currency should prosper. People who may have never found it worthwhile to work or strive in the past will for the first time have an incentive to participate in a real economy not distorted by corrupt monetary policy. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Good one. The "corrupt monetary policy" is what has afforded them the social welfare they're adamant on substaining. Bitcoin risks taking away all of these "entitlements" away. Bitcoin will never be accepted with open arms by "the masses". Btc is meant to be ideal money.. Thats geared towards mass acceptance regardless of govt I think you drank too much of the trainscarwreck kool aid. It will not be accepted by the masses, the ones who profit from current welfare state and status quo, it will be forced upon them. Status quo will stop working when people have an option that ideal money provides.. In any market good money drives out bad.. Its just a matter of timing.. Thats mathematics
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March 01, 2015, 07:58:29 AM |
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March 01, 2015, 01:45:37 PM |
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Conclusions If all Bitcoin transactions were conducted inside a network of micropayment channels, to enable 7 billion people to make two channels per year with unlimited transactions inside the channel, it would require 133 MB blocks (presuming 500 bytes per transaction and 52560 blocks per year). Current generation desktop computers will be able to run a full node with old blocks pruned out on 2TB of storage That's quite a claim. Thanks for sharing.
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March 01, 2015, 04:47:56 PM |
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March 01, 2015, 09:40:19 PM |
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Continued mining decentralization: ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-dcHkDvsdgfg%2FVPMAYPq6n6I%2FAAAAAAAABf8%2FWxgAH9hucc8%2Fs1600%2FhistoricalCent2015-03-01.png&t=665&c=0aAmHOWjP_TgeQ)
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March 02, 2015, 07:18:21 AM |
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A problem greece cant fix it based on production.
They have no export/import things from their own country. Meanwhile china, we all love almost everything we have here in the U.S is "Made in China" so it creates millionaires for them.
Greece is nothing but a tourist attraction, unless they understand their own mechanics to the problem.
Well, if they don't export anything, then Bitcoin theoretically would be precisely the type of currency the Greek people should want to adopt. It goes up in value over the long run as well their purchasing power. Just sit back and consume. Bitcoin still doesn't save them. They could buy up the bitcoins with whatever euros they have on hand, but then they'll still need to spend their bitcoins. If they are trying to spend more than they earn - no matter what currency is involved - eventually they'll run out of money. I think you're missing the bigger picture. The first country that introduces an honest currency should prosper. People who may have never found it worthwhile to work or strive in the past will for the first time have an incentive to participate in a real economy not distorted by corrupt monetary policy. Individuals will prosper, but countries will not. It's not possible for a nation-state to survive in the presence of honest money. Yes! But in a stateless environment the people are prospering because they are not forced of doing business. You are forced to do business for the purpose of generating surplus, which is demanded by the state mafia (tribute/tax). In an environment beyond the state - in the rainforest - the communities are producing the same amount as 10'000 years ago. Zero increase. Zero surplus. Zero business.
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March 02, 2015, 10:50:31 AM |
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Continued mining decentralization: ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-dcHkDvsdgfg%2FVPMAYPq6n6I%2FAAAAAAAABf8%2FWxgAH9hucc8%2Fs1600%2FhistoricalCent2015-03-01.png&t=665&c=0aAmHOWjP_TgeQ) Sure you're right. Nonetheless, from the same blog post, a more worrisome observation: Chinese pools control more than half the network
To be exact, pools identifying as Chinese contributed 52.8% of the networks blocks, with a 95% confidence interval of approximately +/- 8.5%. The top four pools are all Chinese. This shouldn't be surprising, since most (all?) bitcoin mining chips are fabricated there and much of the development appears to be Chinese as well.
My concern with this development is the same as if that much of the network was concentrated in any nation - what happens to the network if the government decides to take an interest? Some pools have some of their equipment outside China, but even so that still leave a large proportion of the network that could be controlled by one government.
I'm sure the Chinese pools are aware of this and have strategies in place to mitigate this risk, and I'd encourage them to start moving at least some infrastructure to other countries.
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March 02, 2015, 11:05:48 AM |
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Continued mining decentralization: ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-dcHkDvsdgfg%2FVPMAYPq6n6I%2FAAAAAAAABf8%2FWxgAH9hucc8%2Fs1600%2FhistoricalCent2015-03-01.png&t=665&c=0aAmHOWjP_TgeQ) Sure you're right. Nonetheless, from the same blog post, a more worrisome observation: Chinese pools control more than half the network
To be exact, pools identifying as Chinese contributed 52.8% of the networks blocks, with a 95% confidence interval of approximately +/- 8.5%. The top four pools are all Chinese. This shouldn't be surprising, since most (all?) bitcoin mining chips are fabricated there and much of the development appears to be Chinese as well.
My concern with this development is the same as if that much of the network was concentrated in any nation - what happens to the network if the government decides to take an interest? Some pools have some of their equipment outside China, but even so that still leave a large proportion of the network that could be controlled by one government.
I'm sure the Chinese pools are aware of this and have strategies in place to mitigate this risk, and I'd encourage them to start moving at least some infrastructure to other countries.
emphasis' mine. I'd also note that at the 50% level, that graph hasn't changed so much over the years. It has fluctuated between 2-3 pools almost if not entirely (very recently its >3 but who knows how long that lasts). At the 75% level there is more change, but that's not entirely encouraging on its face. 75% is too high a threshold for decentralization.
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March 02, 2015, 02:37:00 PM |
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This is the concept I have been trying to push for a long time especially as it relates to UST's. I think it's accurate and this guy agrees: In other words, we’ve reached the limit of what can be accomplished and with NIRP creating new market perversions on an almost daily basis, the unintended consequences of continuing to delve deeper into the new paranormal are making the game ever more dangerous as we now ow have central banks accidentally creating deflation while simultaneously embedding enormous amounts of risk in fixed income markets by sapping every last vestige of liquidity. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-01/are-central-banks-creating-deflation
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March 02, 2015, 02:56:17 PM |
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March 02, 2015, 04:47:19 PM |
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This is the concept I have been trying to push for a long time especially as it relates to UST's. I think it's accurate and this guy agrees: In other words, we’ve reached the limit of what can be accomplished and with NIRP creating new market perversions on an almost daily basis, the unintended consequences of continuing to delve deeper into the new paranormal are making the game ever more dangerous as we now ow have central banks accidentally creating deflation while simultaneously embedding enormous amounts of risk in fixed income markets by sapping every last vestige of liquidity. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-01/are-central-banks-creating-deflationIt is in there, but it could be said simpler: Fucking with the interest rate produces distortions in the investment signals, therefore a misadapted capital structure, which means lower prosperity.
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March 02, 2015, 04:54:19 PM |
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Here is a thought for those who think the bitcoin blockchain should be used for all kinds of notary stuff.
To guarantee the timestamp and the integrity of documents, only a single miner would be needed, which in that case would not need to expend energy, just create the blocks in a timely manner. Why is this enough? Because the whole chain is known at all times, and to cheat, the miner has to unwind the chain down to the document he wants to tamper with, and recreate the rest of the chain. This will then be obvious to all.
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March 02, 2015, 05:00:46 PM |
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extraordinary. meanwhile: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP.
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