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October 12, 2013, 10:24:17 AM |
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Am i the only one around here who shit themselves when rebooting and that ultra white LED comes on.....every time the dam thing nearly gives me a heart attack!
No it got me the first time too ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Then I paused and noticed no magic smoke. All is good.
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October 12, 2013, 10:35:21 AM |
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i called knc yesterday asking why there is no payout for my knc hosted jupiters. the said they are all running very bad, none over 100 Gh/s. this morning i changed to eligius to check how the are doing: average of 536 Gh/s . someone must have been busy there. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) eligius started paying out after 90 min. why didn´t kncpool ever ? did anyone of the knc hosted customers get regular payout, or -like in my case - compensation only ?
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October 12, 2013, 10:37:57 AM |
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i called knc yesterday asking why there is no payout for my knc hosted jupiters. the said they are all running very bad, none over 100 Gh/s. this morning i changed to eligius to check how the are doing: average of 536 Gh/s . someone must have been busy there. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) eligius started paying out after 90 min. why didn´t kncpool ever ? did anyone of the knc hosted customers get regular payout, or -like in my case - compensation only ? That is great news. Hopefully they have the firmware thing under control. And perhaps the PS "issue" as well...
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October 12, 2013, 11:15:57 AM |
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Yeah the knc pool so far is pretty bad. No stats no nothing. No pay-outs also (well none for me). Better to change pool like Eligius or something else with actual stats and.... pay-outs ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) I'd rather stick to the pools that actually know what they're doing. KNC are still new in the pool game. It would've been a miracle if they actually had a pool up and running completely fault free/feature complete on their first attempt.
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October 12, 2013, 12:41:13 PM |
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There is just one simple conclusion on this HF vs KNC vs (include any ASIC producer here) debate: we, the buyers put and (most likely) will continue to put nice wealth into the bank accounts of those companies. The rest of the debate is pointless from a financial point of view
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October 12, 2013, 01:03:06 PM |
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hey most of us here I think hope it all works out with hashfast..but I too think you will get a visit from "Murphy" don't ya know....(hey I lost money to bfl and put money into knc...only so much $$$ I can throw at this stuff) ...anyway hope hashfast follows thru at a high level .....the more that get their crap together customer service/output on time wise the better...I swear if there are too many more BFL's out there..we will all run to Litecoin...more noise...more $$ from gpu stuff but heck of a lot less drama imho...
Careful what you wish for. If hashfast delivers on spec, in time and in volume, the impact on difficulty will make it about as painful as getting BFL'ed. Thats the whole point with these preorder asic miners, either you get screwed because the vendors do deliver, or you get screwed because they dont. The simple reality is that the money already plunged on preorders in all likely hood exceeds total mining revenue for the next 6 months. The only way to have any hope of breaking even is buying from a company that does deliver, while the rest doesnt. I have not bought any asic, nor do I intend to, but if I were a KnC customer, I would sure wish for HF's chip to come out with a major unfixable flaw in its design.
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October 12, 2013, 01:50:23 PM |
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hey most of us here I think hope it all works out with hashfast..but I too think you will get a visit from "Murphy" don't ya know....(hey I lost money to bfl and put money into knc...only so much $$$ I can throw at this stuff) ...anyway hope hashfast follows thru at a high level .....the more that get their crap together customer service/output on time wise the better...I swear if there are too many more BFL's out there..we will all run to Litecoin...more noise...more $$ from gpu stuff but heck of a lot less drama imho...
Careful what you wish for. If hashfast delivers on spec, in time and in volume, the impact on difficulty will make it about as painful as getting BFL'ed. Thats the whole point with these preorder asic miners, either you get screwed because the vendors do deliver, or you get screwed because they dont. The simple reality is that the money already plunged on preorders in all likely hood exceeds total mining revenue for the next 6 months. The only way to have any hope of breaking even is buying from a company that does deliver, while the rest doesnt. I have not bought any asic, nor do I intend to, but if I were a KnC customer, I would sure wish for HF's chip to come out with a major unfixable flaw in its design. So, in your opinion the money "plunged" into preorders exceeds 127 million usd? Are you stupid or did you not do the math before posting that?
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October 12, 2013, 02:01:13 PM |
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So, in your opinion the money "plunged" into preorders exceeds 127 million usd? Are you stupid or did you not do the math before posting that?
BFL was estimated to have 3PH worth of preorders with their 65nm products. Using the cheapest option, that amounts to $135M So yeah, IMO the total is likely higher than $127M especially since I doubt BFL has been a big recipient of preorders lately.
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October 12, 2013, 02:14:56 PM |
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Hi all, I've enhanced KnCMiner's web-interface, so you can add more than one pool now. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=309739.0enjoy! *btw: maybe someone is so kindly to post this link in the knc-forum, please ? not all customers read this thread and I do not have an account there
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October 12, 2013, 02:18:52 PM |
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So, in your opinion the money "plunged" into preorders exceeds 127 million usd? Are you stupid or did you not do the math before posting that?
BFL was estimated to have 3PH worth of preorders with their 65nm products. Using the cheapest option, that amounts to $135M So yeah, IMO the total is likely higher than $127M especially since I doubt BFL has been a big recipient of preorders lately. Again, Bullshit. http://bfl.ptz.ro/ Even if you triple that number you have only 30 million. and you need to remember that even if, after all those who refunded got their money back, the rest ships, those are peanuts hashing wise.
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October 12, 2013, 02:26:46 PM |
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There is just one simple conclusion on this HF vs KNC vs (include any ASIC producer here) debate: we, the buyers put and (most likely) will continue to put nice wealth into the bank accounts of those companies. The rest of the debate is pointless from a financial point of view When I see that photo of all the main players in ASIC companies posing together, this is what I really see. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.treksinscifi.com%2Ftrekdaily%2Fpictures%2F2012-12-12_Ferengi.jpg&t=665&c=TE54zgzEFJaJ_w)
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October 12, 2013, 02:29:53 PM |
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So, in your opinion the money "plunged" into preorders exceeds 127 million usd? Are you stupid or did you not do the math before posting that?
BFL was estimated to have 3PH worth of preorders with their 65nm products. Using the cheapest option, that amounts to $135M So yeah, IMO the total is likely higher than $127M especially since I doubt BFL has been a big recipient of preorders lately. Again, Bullshit. http://bfl.ptz.ro/ Even if you triple that number you have only 30 million. and you need to remember that even if, after all those who refunded got their money back, the rest ships, those are peanuts hashing wise. And you think more than a tiny fraction of BFL customers reported their orders to that site? Dont make me laugh. Most people never heard of it. If anything Im shocked so many did report it. This is what I used for my 3PH estimate: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283820.0Oh and that $300K in refunds changes exactly nothing. But you can look at it in different ways too, like by valuation of the asic vendors. Asicminer is hardly a major player anymore, but its still valued at $40M. Cointerra value themselves at $20M (pre IPO, Im sure investors would pay much more for it). Combined they form only a small fraction of the miner market these days, with Bitfury, BFL, KnC and HF likely being the biggest ones right now.
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October 12, 2013, 02:47:10 PM |
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When I see that photo of all the main players in ASIC companies posing together, this is what I really see.
Terms & Conditions: Pre-orders, delivery 6 months from now, payment in BTC only. No refunds. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.fineartamerica.com%2Fimages-medium-large%2Ffilm-still-gangsters-granger.jpg&t=665&c=EIH3V0KSK4fVUw)
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October 12, 2013, 02:52:24 PM |
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After apply 0.95 update and hit reboot button at the end, my Jupiter become unreachable. I`ve trying to reboots, resets everything and nothing help(I unplug all PCI-e before doing this). Still no answer from CS they dont even pick up the phone.
you were never instructed to unplug the pci plugs before resetting...thats why its not working... lol... it's supposed to be done with the power ON I just hope you didnt unplug the pci plugs with the unit on, you could easily fry a cap Offcouse not! The board+bbb was made to work independent without any asics modules. Every one know that without any asics attached board continue to work and can be pinging and webing without any problem. I remove cables to avoid fire on board cos of my retrying attempts.
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October 12, 2013, 03:02:33 PM |
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Has anyone received shipping info in a few days? Seems like moving a bunch of orders to "In Progress" was move to placate the masses.
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October 12, 2013, 03:10:19 PM |
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If I was an "Angel Investor" in CoinTerra I'd be scared shitless right now. KnC & HashFast are going to obliterate the difficulty. Amazing that HashFast is offering up to 400% more hardware to people. I was hoping KnC was going to naturally do that but since they are pulling VRM's off their boards I don't think their stuff can be future proofed as easily through firmware.
OrSOC pumps those boards out quickly. It would be nice if KnC could offer the same thing as HashFast.
Personally, I hope HashFast fails. This is looking scary.
I feel really sorry for BFL people still waiting on 65nm and those invested in the Monarch.
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October 12, 2013, 03:12:31 PM |
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Does that do a better job or equivalent than plugging a hard drive in?
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October 12, 2013, 03:16:30 PM |
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If I was an "Angel Investor" in CoinTerra I'd be scared shitless right now. KnC & HashFast are going to obliterate the difficulty. Amazing that HashFast is offering up to 400% more hardware to people. I was hoping KnC was going to naturally do that but since they are pulling VRM's off their boards I don't think their stuff can be future proofed as easily through firmware.
OrSOC pumps those boards out quickly. It would be nice if KnC could offer the same thing as HashFast.
Personally, I hope HashFast fails. This is looking scary.
I feel really sorry for BFL people still waiting on 65nm and those invested in the Monarch.
I hope so, too... but because of the incredible douche-nicity of their mouthpiece.
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October 12, 2013, 03:17:16 PM Last edit: October 12, 2013, 03:28:35 PM by Paladin69 |
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There's a very good chance the 8 VRM boards will be able to overclock / boost performance FAR beyond the 4 VRM boards.
These are not thermally limited as-is on 0.95. If they are limited, they're limited by VRM current or perhaps decoupling capacitance or other
Prepare for further shitstorms, anyone with a 4 VRM board will be like a cripple trying to keep up against Usain bolt
Oh and those VRM modules have the board level connections as BGA-style underneath the PCB. So you're not adding any components yourself! So go fuck yourself, everyone who doesn't have a reflow oven
If you want better performance out of having 8 VRM's over 4, you will have to code it yourself. I highly doubt KnC is going to favor the earliest adopters who have 8. This place would become a bloodbath otherwise. I was hopeful that maybe these things could be future-proofed for the next couple of months and pushed to 700-800GH with ADHD Marcus and his love for tweaking. I'm not going to play armchair engineer. I think if they would've been useful to leave on, they would have. I don't think this is about saving money on those tiny parts that are probably worth pennies.
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