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October 13, 2013, 02:51:09 PM
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They will have already compensated you by delivering over TWICE the hashrate you paid for.
WHATT? 800GH/s? WHERE? WHERE?

(But as you say "OVER twice")
WHATT? 900GH/s? WHERE? WHERE?

Another person with a weak grasp of facts, figures and that fact based thing known as "science".

i have ordered 350Gh/s Jupiter in June and i will receive 500+ unit, i think its good compensation for later delivery





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October 13, 2013, 02:51:53 PM
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KnC originally promised Jupiter at 250Gh/s for $7k.

Have you disclosed if you're being paid to shill  for KNC?

For the life of me I can't see how you're not given all your posting and your involvement in assembly and packaging, 
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October 13, 2013, 02:53:52 PM
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KnC originally promised Jupiter at 250Gh/s for $7k.

sure, 7k without VAT and delivery during end of summer.)
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October 13, 2013, 03:02:15 PM
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KnC originally promised Jupiter at 250Gh/s for $7k.

sure, 7k without VAT and delivery during end of summer.)

Actually Xialla it was 250Gh/s delivered in 'early Autumn';

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=187428.0

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The astronomical fall (Northern Hemisphere) 2013 began on;

Sunday, September 22


and ends on;

Friday, December 20


Cypherdoc my stance always has been that I would like to work for them if they can really live upto their claims. They have and they asked me to come to Stockholm the weekend prior to the ASICs being received by hand courier to watch a very tense and stressful engineering feat and document it to the community, placing their necks firmly on the chopping board for all to see, warts and all, and let me document it. I haven't signed any contract yet, I haven't been paid yet, I haven't even received my own order yet.

They have never lied about performance specs or their intention to deliver on time.

People who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones...

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October 13, 2013, 03:08:37 PM
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How do you feel about them now refusing refunds, given how much emphasis you placed on the ability to order by CC, and the extra security that gave customers?

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October 13, 2013, 03:11:20 PM
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How do you feel about them now refusing refunds, given how much emphasis you placed on the ability to order by CC, and the extra security that gave customers?

The cessation of refunding happened the very weekend as the ASICs were delivered as the delivery file was sent to the UPS server and the manufacturing facility. How would you feel about processing a refund to someone that also receives the product due to the fact you are no longer control the delivery? Prior to that date as many have testified a refund was never denied. It just now becomes a logistical nightmare as the manufacturing facility and UPS process and handle both the assembly and delivery. There has to be the exact number of Mercurys/Saturns and Jupiters manufactured and sent out in the precise order of which they were fully paid for.

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October 13, 2013, 03:14:42 PM
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KnC originally promised Jupiter at 250Gh/s for $7k.

sure, 7k without VAT and delivery during end of summer.)

Actually Xialla it was 250Gh/s delivered in 'early Autumn';

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=187428.0

Cypherdoc my stance always has been that I would like to work for them if they can really live upto their claims. They have and they asked me to come to Stockholm the weekend prior to the ASICs being received by hand courier to watch a very tense and stressful engineering feat and document it to the community, placing their necks firmly on the chopping board for all to see, warts and all. I haven't signed any contract yet, I haven't been paid yet, I haven't even received my own order yet.

They have never lied about performance specs or their intention to deliver on time.

People who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones...

How could you ever accuse me of throwing stones?

In sentence #1 of my endorsement thread I openly disclosed I was being paid by Hashfast. Now that batch 1 had been sold out that is no longer the case.

I sense all sorts of obfuscation  in your answer in the form of "yet". Let me try to be more specific.  Have they "implied" that you will be paid or compensated  in the form of cash, btc, chips,  equipment, employment, special favors or anything of a quid pro quo nature for all that you've done, which is substantial and easily beyond the call of duty as an ordinary customer?

I take it they paid your way to Sweden and are paying all your expenses?
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October 13, 2013, 03:17:37 PM
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KnC originally promised Jupiter at 250Gh/s for $7k.

sure, 7k without VAT and delivery during end of summer.)

Actually Xialla it was 250Gh/s delivered in 'early Autumn';

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=187428.0

Cypherdoc my stance always has been that I would like to work for them if they can really live upto their claims. They have and they asked me to come to Stockholm the weekend prior to the ASICs being received by hand courier to watch a very tense and stressful engineering feat and document it to the community, placing their necks firmly on the chopping board for all to see, warts and all. I haven't signed any contract yet, I haven't been paid yet, I haven't even received my own order yet.

They have never lied about performance specs or their intention to deliver on time.

People who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones...

How could you ever accuse me of throwing stones?

In sentence #1 of my endorsement thread I openly disclosed I was being paid by Hashfast. Now that batch 1 had been sold out that is no longer the case.

I sense all sorts of obfuscation  in your answer in the form of "yet". Let me try to be more specifi.  Have they "implied" that you will be paid or compensated  in the form of cash, btc, chips,  equipment, employment, special favors or anything of a quid pro woo nature for all that you've done, which is substantial and easy beyond the call of duty as an ordinary customer?

I take it they paid your way to Sweden and are paying all your expenses?

Nope currently I have. I would then bill them at a future point in time.

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October 13, 2013, 03:18:42 PM
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They have never lied about performance specs or their intention to deliver on time.

"All current paid orders will be shipped no later than October 15th."

It's not an intention, it's a statement of fact. A contract, if you will.

They did not say "We are hoping to ship all units by 15th October. But as a prototype/the first time we've done this, there is the possibility it could be another week or two after that".
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THAT would be an intention.

This "All current paid orders will be shipped no later than October 15th." statement/contract has probably driven most, if not all of their November orders. You can't use false claims to pump sales. I imagine that is a criminal offence.

And I would say, as they know how many units they can produce per day, the fact that they are still sticking to 15th is in effect lying.

They could easily have updated us on 7th/8th/9th/10/11th/12th with a revised schedule, based on knowing how many units they can produce per day.

They are trying to hide, delay as long as possible the inevitable start of chargebacks, with their silence and head in the sand technique of crisis management.

It's not professional. It's not accept to the businesses that are dealing with them (US, the people who should be treated like shareholders in KNC).

Relay that to whomever is in charge. And don't forget the matter of compensation either.

Would be professional to see an official update from KNC on this either today but not later than tomorrow, 14th October.

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October 13, 2013, 03:19:36 PM
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KnC originally promised Jupiter at 250Gh/s for $7k.

sure, 7k without VAT and delivery during end of summer.)

Actually Xialla it was 250Gh/s delivered in 'early Autumn';

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=187428.0

Cypherdoc my stance always has been that I would like to work for them if they can really live upto their claims. They have and they asked me to come to Stockholm the weekend prior to the ASICs being received by hand courier to watch a very tense and stressful engineering feat and document it to the community, placing their necks firmly on the chopping board for all to see, warts and all. I haven't signed any contract yet, I haven't been paid yet, I haven't even received my own order yet.

They have never lied about performance specs or their intention to deliver on time.

People who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones...

How could you ever accuse me of throwing stones?

In sentence #1 of my endorsement thread I openly disclosed I was being paid by Hashfast. Now that batch 1 had been sold out that is no longer the case.

I sense all sorts of obfuscation  in your answer in the form of "yet". Let me try to be more specifi.  Have they "implied" that you will be paid or compensated  in the form of cash, btc, chips,  equipment, employment, special favors or anything of a quid pro woo nature for all that you've done, which is substantial and easy beyond the call of duty as an ordinary customer?

I take it they paid your way to Sweden and are paying all your expenses?

Nope currently I have. I would then bill them at a future point in time.

so they have paid your way to Sweden.  now answer the other larger part of the question.
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October 13, 2013, 03:26:02 PM
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if my unit doesnt come on tuesday, ill be demanding a refund. ups shipping details already sent or not, not my problem.
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October 13, 2013, 03:26:56 PM
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KnC originally promised Jupiter at 250Gh/s for $7k.

sure, 7k without VAT and delivery during end of summer.)

Actually Xialla it was 250Gh/s delivered in 'early Autumn';

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=187428.0

Cypherdoc my stance always has been that I would like to work for them if they can really live upto their claims. They have and they asked me to come to Stockholm the weekend prior to the ASICs being received by hand courier to watch a very tense and stressful engineering feat and document it to the community, placing their necks firmly on the chopping board for all to see, warts and all. I haven't signed any contract yet, I haven't been paid yet, I haven't even received my own order yet.

They have never lied about performance specs or their intention to deliver on time.

People who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones...

How could you ever accuse me of throwing stones?

In sentence #1 of my endorsement thread I openly disclosed I was being paid by Hashfast. Now that batch 1 had been sold out that is no longer the case.

I sense all sorts of obfuscation  in your answer in the form of "yet". Let me try to be more specifi.  Have they "implied" that you will be paid or compensated  in the form of cash, btc, chips,  equipment, employment, special favors or anything of a quid pro woo nature for all that you've done, which is substantial and easy beyond the call of duty as an ordinary customer?

I take it they paid your way to Sweden and are paying all your expenses?

Nope currently I have. I would then bill them at a future point in time.

fine, answer the other larger part of the question.

No I have not had any indication that I would be compensated for my time beyond that I now feel is unreasonable this side of September. That said my ability to keep this ship on course throughout such stormy weather and in light of the fact many based their purchases based on the factual evidence I shared and told them to verify with further due diligence of their own, I certainly feel my time is worth something, from those that purchased here as well as KnC themselves considering they now have an affiliate program I've still yet to participate in. I have a tip Jar in my sit below that had only 2BTC the other day from thanks from members on this forum after all this time, it's now 3 thanks to Bargraphics. Despite all the demands and abuse, I can honestly state greed outweighs generosity here, and I'm starting to get quite tired of this. This is my first real day alone to myself and I'm laying in bed in the hotel, exhausted, still on this damn thread.

The throwing stones aspect was related to how late your company will be and how they went about coercing people into parting with funds for a product that cannot be delivered in that timeframe.

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October 13, 2013, 03:28:49 PM
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Every time I open this thread, always extra 2-4 pages and it's always the same few people posting Roll Eyes
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October 13, 2013, 03:29:25 PM
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They will have already compensated you by delivering over TWICE the hashrate you paid for.
WHATT? 800GH/s? WHERE? WHERE?

(But as you say "OVER twice")
WHATT? 900GH/s? WHERE? WHERE?

Another person with a weak grasp of facts, figures and that fact based thing known as "science".

i have ordered 350Gh/s Jupiter in June and i will receive 500+ unit, i think its good compensation for later delivery

if you think 500 > 350*2, you shouldn't mine.
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October 13, 2013, 03:32:35 PM
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Every time I open this thread, always extra 2-4 pages and it's always the same few people posting Roll Eyes
Yeah.
But no KnC, which annoys me. (as Orama != KnC)
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October 13, 2013, 03:36:02 PM
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Every time I open this thread, always extra 2-4 pages and it's always the same few people posting Roll Eyes
Yeah.
But no KnC, which annoys me. (as Orama != KnC)


yeah, it astounds me to no end.

everyone always bashes HF as a scam yet they are all over the place on their threads with multiple employee participation. 

plus, i'm not an employee, nor getting paid, yet i do my best to answer Q's.  Roll Eyes
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October 13, 2013, 03:39:38 PM
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I need one of the 4 boards in a Jupiter RMA'd.  KnC must not be working weekends.  They aren't answering e-mails.  I have always had a reply within 12-24 hours, unless I am being ignored.  Reply always comes in the morning before I wake up.  This doesn't bode well if I need refunds for November.
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October 13, 2013, 03:40:31 PM
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KnC originally promised Jupiter at 250Gh/s for $7k.

sure, 7k without VAT and delivery during end of summer.)

Actually Xialla it was 250Gh/s delivered in 'early Autumn';

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=187428.0

Google states the following;

Quote
The astronomical fall (Northern Hemisphere) 2013 began on;

Sunday, September 22


and ends on;

Friday, December 20


Cypherdoc my stance always has been that I would like to work for them if they can really live upto their claims. They have and they asked me to come to Stockholm the weekend prior to the ASICs being received by hand courier to watch a very tense and stressful engineering feat and document it to the community, placing their necks firmly on the chopping board for all to see, warts and all, and let me document it. I haven't signed any contract yet, I haven't been paid yet, I haven't even received my own order yet.

They have never lied about performance specs or their intention to deliver on time.

People who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones...


no orama...see the very first post of knc.... Summer 2013 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg1771040#msg1771040
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October 13, 2013, 03:40:48 PM
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I need one of the 4 boards in a Jupiter RMA'd or something.  KnC must not be working weekends.  They aren't answering e-mails.  I have always had a reply within 12-24 hours, unless I am being ignored.  Which doesn't bode well if I need refunds for November.

Customer service is not working weekends.

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October 13, 2013, 03:41:42 PM
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KnC originally promised Jupiter at 250Gh/s for $7k.

sure, 7k without VAT and delivery during end of summer.)

Actually Xialla it was 250Gh/s delivered in 'early Autumn';

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=187428.0

Cypherdoc my stance always has been that I would like to work for them if they can really live upto their claims. They have and they asked me to come to Stockholm the weekend prior to the ASICs being received by hand courier to watch a very tense and stressful engineering feat and document it to the community, placing their necks firmly on the chopping board for all to see, warts and all. I haven't signed any contract yet, I haven't been paid yet, I haven't even received my own order yet.

They have never lied about performance specs or their intention to deliver on time.

People who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones...

How could you ever accuse me of throwing stones?

In sentence #1 of my endorsement thread I openly disclosed I was being paid by Hashfast. Now that batch 1 had been sold out that is no longer the case.

I sense all sorts of obfuscation  in your answer in the form of "yet". Let me try to be more specifi.  Have they "implied" that you will be paid or compensated  in the form of cash, btc, chips,  equipment, employment, special favors or anything of a quid pro woo nature for all that you've done, which is substantial and easy beyond the call of duty as an ordinary customer?

I take it they paid your way to Sweden and are paying all your expenses?

Nope currently I have. I would then bill them at a future point in time.

fine, answer the other larger part of the question.

No I have not had any indication that I would be compensated for my time beyond that I now feel is unreasonable this side of September. That said my ability to keep this ship on course throughout such stormy weather and in light of the fact many based their purchases based on the factual evidence I shared and told the, to verify with further due diligence of their own, I certainly feel my time is worth something, from those that purchased here as well as KnC themselves considering they now have an affiliate program I've still yet to participate in. I have a tip Jar in my sit below that had only 2BTC the other day from thanks from members on this forum after all this time, it's now 3 thanks to Bargraphics. Despite all the demands and abuse, I can honestly state greed outweighs generosity here, and I'm starting to get quite tired of this. This is my first real day alone to myself and I'm laying in bed in the hotel, exhausted, still on this damn thread.

The throwing stones aspect was related to how late your company will be and how they went about coercing people into parting with funds for a product that cannot be delivered in that timeframe.

actually, i feel sorry for you.  let me shift this to KNC:

why aren't you (KNC) paying Rama after all he's done?  at least offer him an hourly salary.  and wtf are you doing letting a non-employee onto the assembly floor to help assemble, package, and ship units?  there are labor laws against this sort of thing, you know.

while i still have a problem with how Rama treated me in my thread, and probably always will, at the very least he was trying to promote and help you (KNC) sell units which is a highly valuable service (obfuscation) that has probably netted you (KNC) millions.

at least i had the self respect to demand payment upfront for my services.
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