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Important notice to WPC members.
We have sent out an new project proposal that we need you to review. Please check your inbox.
We will be having a meeting to discuss and determine the path forward for this new project on March 31st 2014. I will send out a new email for specific time as soon as I have contacted the EE team heading this new project on Sunday.
The current A1, BitFury2 Wasps, Website, Mining Pool, Hive and firmware/software projects are still moving forward and we will have them ready while we add this new project within that stream of work. As such the WPC will definitely need to source some new members and we will be sending out invites to specific people in the community to push our new and current projects forward. It is also our intention to revisit, as we mentioned before, re-opening membership to the community on a limited basis. We will have a notice about that next week.
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It looks to be not a scam,
But poor Customer service YES
Lack of responsibility probibly
the update for so far
Technobit who had not responded since 23-12-2013. only began to respond again after 3 posts in this forum.
The packages were not deliverd to me but to a mister Hoorman (thats not me!)
I asked for proof of delivery on 23-12-2013. they could not provide this proof.
Now they want to file a claim with carrier, and that I should just wait another 90 days.
Diti is not reasonable it's not my fault that wrong has been bowls and technobit more than 3 months has done nothing.
If technobit was reasonable, they would give my direct my money back.
Hey buddy, Errors...mistakes...messing up...is part of everyday life... So if the carrier delivered to somebody else...doesn't mean that it is Technobit's mistake... Please remove your RED banners from the top...they are awfull...work out the things with Technobit... Best luck... I think he is TRYING hard to draw attention to the fact Technobit didn't reply to his emails. Let him post how he likes. |
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Got the boards and stencils! And all I can say is - WOW! They're actually a much higher quality than what I expected!  Care to share from where? Hard to read the package. |
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I postet this in their forum they deleted it, instead of answering to it:
KnCMiner Network Protection Statement
At KnCMiner we are aware of the service we are providing to our customers. We are also aware that we need our customers to have a return on their devices in order to purchase form us again. With the scale of the supply chains, agreements and factories we have access to, we need to be cautious we don’t ship too many devices and therefore reduce the return to our customers. So with that in mind our plan is to do as follows:
We will ship no devices in December 2013, January 2014 or February 2014. Meaning that once we have taken the difficulty up at the end of November we will not release any more hashing power for 3 months. We will then release our new generation of devices, which will begin shipping in March 2014. These devices will also have a much higher GH/$ rating than any of our current offerings.
We would like to state that If any of our competitors continues to add large amounts of hashing power to the network during December, January or February. We will continue to release our devices as competitively priced as we can to protect our customers share of the network.
Thanks
KnCMiner Team
The Fact is:
As of April 1, KNC will be delay in delivery of Neptunes
Have you posted in the BFL forums as well? Just wondering how your Monarch orders are coming? Still expecting the chips to be in our shop sometime during the week of the 14th(April). They will be out of the fab in the next few days then off to packaging then to our testing facility then to be mounted on PCBs then to our facility in KC. Since everything has already been tested and works, it should be a fairly simple, quick and straight forward process once they come out of the fab. Dream on. |
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I postet this in their forum they deleted it, instead of answering to it:
KnCMiner Network Protection Statement
At KnCMiner we are aware of the service we are providing to our customers. We are also aware that we need our customers to have a return on their devices in order to purchase form us again. With the scale of the supply chains, agreements and factories we have access to, we need to be cautious we don’t ship too many devices and therefore reduce the return to our customers. So with that in mind our plan is to do as follows:
We will ship no devices in December 2013, January 2014 or February 2014. Meaning that once we have taken the difficulty up at the end of November we will not release any more hashing power for 3 months. We will then release our new generation of devices, which will begin shipping in March 2014. These devices will also have a much higher GH/$ rating than any of our current offerings.
We would like to state that If any of our competitors continues to add large amounts of hashing power to the network during December, January or February. We will continue to release our devices as competitively priced as we can to protect our customers share of the network.
Thanks
KnCMiner Team
The Fact is:
As of April 1, KNC will be delay in delivery of Neptunes
Have you posted in the BFL forums as well? Just wondering how your Monarch orders are coming? |
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Why don't we accentuate the positive for a change?
Why doesn't BFL do business like Bitmain or say Ben Turas? Why do they insist on using flawed logic and basically come to market, so late that is it obviously intentional, every time they offer a product? Why don't they do it the right way? Say like Spondoolies self-fund it and then ship it? Hmm... maybe because they don't want to ship on time right? Doesn't baffle you that they have yet again messed up the chips on the latest offering? Somehow they are just not ready for market yet again?
Christsakes they put out a refund notice with a hook that someone else has to BUY your order... how do we verify that? Nothing in their order system is transparent and the FTC rules clearly state if you ask for a refund you have to give the refund before it is shipped no matter the terms BFL wants to illegally set. Ok so what is it? Failure or fraud? It is a pattern that is plain to see and we all know it as fraud. Don't buy from BFL they are scammers and remember to warn off as many people as you can we might be able to put these people out of business simply by letting the community know.
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Have to have REAL leader to make that happen Ben.
The thanks should also go to you. People like to support honest hardworking people. Glad that you are there as an example of how it should be done. Hope to see more products come down the pipe.
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Again you are completely wrong. There are viable options shipping now and returning positive ROI (see bitmain).
And to clarify I mean they failed to deliver the product they advertised within even 8 months of ordering and refusing refunds for this unacceptable delay.
And avalon has learned from their lesson and is only selling in stock hardware.
The only reason BFL is taking preorders and not selling in hand hardware is because they had no confidence in their ability to ship on time and realized it is much more profit to bullshit your customers.
Let's quit pretending BFL is even near comparable to companies like knc/bitmain/asicminer/bitfury
Any attempt to rehab BFL's rep at this point is only going to happen if: 1. BFL sells all it's products off the shelf and not via pre-order. 2. They have a 100% refund guarantee before they ship anything as per FTC rules. 3. They remove all their false ads and adhere to some basic ethical standards of practice for a business. 4. Respond to complaints and queries across the board in a professional manner. There is no way that any of these things are going to change and that is why BFL needs to be called out on its lies and why everyone and their mother needs to spread the word that BFL is a toxic investment for anyone at anytime. |
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Big Picture Mining Collective:We did not produce the Blue Fury USB miners. The BPMC was going to produce the K1 Nano but pulled the plug on the production when Avalon failed to deliver the sample chips on time and we gave EVERYONE a prompt refund in full. One person was upset with our slow refunds but we did get him his money after a week delay and we were sorry for that. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=251831.100Then BPMC produced only 120 USB Miners called the BF1 USB miner (BitFury 1) initially but folded as there was split in the collective over the royalties which is still not resolved. They sold out I think by October or November 2013. Anything after that is not a BPMC because the collective ceased to exist after October 2013 and we are still fighting over the royalties for these items being sold unfortunately. https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=292433Please note that ANY OTHER USB Miners are and were never BPMC these and other USB miners are former BPMC members built on their own sold them. You need to check with each group to get the name of their group. IceFury: Not 100% sure who made these I think Sam and Andrew did these as well. RedFury: beyond the initial 120 units made many many more were sold by https://megabigpower.com/shop/ ask Kevin what his arrangement was with Dave on using the original BPMC design. Or Dan and Tiyo sold a lot of these on Ebay as well and are even still for sale in Indonesia here: http://shop.bitcoin.co.id/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=55 that is directly Tiyo and Dan I suspect given the red heat sinks and packaging used in the pictures. BlueFury: Sam and Andrew fabricated these and sold them. What they called themselves I do not know. Any that fall outside the original 120 chips BitFury chips that were ordered were not and are NOT BPMC. I would ask that you change the BPM to something else and contact those who built the BlueFury and ask them their name of their group such as Sam or Andrew former members of BPMC or Tiyo, Dan or Kevin for anything on the RedFury or other iterations of the originally designed BF1. Or you can rate the BPMC on the information provided for only our 120 USB miners that were sold and the refunds we provided for the K1 Nanos. I think our limited run would exclude us entirely from this thread at least for the BPMC portion of the units sold.
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Threads not about the worst... or faux race baiting theories of world domination. It is about how BFL mislead and lies to the community. BCP is obviously part of the fabric of those lies as he continues to push company disinformation particularly how others are WORSE than BFL and he has attacked the person in failed attempts to discredit people in order cover BFL's failures as stated here by many who have felt those ad hominem attacks. Neither BFL nor HashFast and dare I say it Avalon really deserves our business given the propensity to lie to their customers. Let us discuss the merits of purchasing a product that has not been designed and fully tested to people in general. BFL has yet to produce a product that functions to design or redesign specifications before asking for the money they are doing this purposefully. Given that they continually push out designs of unfinished or untested products that speaks volumes for their lack of credibility and a business model that is direct violation of a number of FTC regulations and given their use of false ads mail fraud. If you want to talk about how to do things in a reasonably fair and consumer orientated way then check out Bitmain (Ships out soon after you pay. The best right now and the EXACT antithesis of BFL) Spondoolies (Pending but build chips without community funds) Ben Turas One String (100% truthful 100% responsive to customers) Marto74's offerings (Yes I know he is a bit shady) ...and a number of others have produced units and sold them in real time not on pre-order. If you want to look at a list of reliability check out Dogie's imperfect and constantly revised post here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456691.0Clearly he gets it BFL is the BOTTOM of the barrel in his estimation and that is supported by a large number of the community given past polls on the subject. |
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Although you might be DEAD ON about Josh and the management at BFL or the shills like BCP19 and BFL,BFLrCONmen your tinfoil hat racist conspiracy theories right out of RIGHT field don't give much credence to what your saying you really need to focus on the facts about BFL. In fact now I have you on ignore as well as pretty much every remaining BFL shill and Josh. Welcome to my ignore club you racist ahole. http://zcomm.org/zmagazine/debunking-conspiracy-theories-by-david-barsamian/ Here is a nice primer on why you are so brainwashed to think the Illuminati is a real thing. Educate yourself I know you can unlike BCP19 you could see the light, there might be redemption for you given you get how BFL operates. Most people today who believe in conspiracy theory as the way the world
works are people who are trying to figure out something about how
power is exercised. People who believe in conspiracy theory are
correct in analyzing that the world does not work the way power
elites say it works; that there is a disjuncture between how power
is realized and how we’re told the U.S. works—as a democracy
with everyone having a vote and everyone having a role in developing
policies for the United States.
The problem is when this is all attempted to be knit together into one
seamless tapestry that goes back hundreds of years and involves
everybody who is in the media, education, and politics. It’s
this extension into complete control over all aspects of a person’s
life that debunks conspiracy just on the basis of rational investigation.
You simply can’t have a conspiracy that goes back centuries
and extends across so many different sectors of a society and not
have it unravel as people turn against each other.
- David Barsamian |
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No you need to change your story on Inaba being trustworthy. No doubt you can compare two thieves and think there is still a winner.
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are you f**king serious? Lying basterds, I find it very odd a company was able to make BFL looks so damn professional and honest. And yet you still think INABA Is professional and honest? Go figure. |
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Phoey on June 30th... we shall see.
Care to wager an entire coin on that?
Before June 30, I win. June 30 or after, you win.... bet?
I wouldn't trust you to pay me if you lost. So, no. ESCROW! |
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Remember how I was having problems with cracking capacitors? Looks like it happened again. This time with a more violent result....  Ouch... Time to get rid of the BFL products and upgrade right? |
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I find BFL expensive.
I find Humanity cheap. The good thing about BFL is that they fix my miner fast when it broke. BFL actually has decent customer service. I would call them 10-11AM EST in the morning. Its the best time to call them. jzcjca00
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Re: BFL Product Failures / Underperformance.
November 27, 2013, 20:05:45
Reply with quote #69
Here's an indication of how busy they are with repairs.
I woke up one morning to find my unit dead. I sent an email to support, and got no response. I sent a PM to the employee in charge of RMAs and got no response. I phoned them, and the phone system transferred me to voice mailbox that was full, so I could not leave a message.
I posted on their support forum, and other customers suggested ways to troubleshoot the problem. I got no response from BFL support.
After 8 hours of attempting to get through to BFL, I shipped my unit back without a RMA number. Three days later I got notification that they had shipped it back to me. I was positively impressed with the short turnaround time. I'm guessing all they had to do was replace the power supply. I don't know, because they never gave me any indication of what failed.
I got the unit back about a week after I sent it out, and it worked fine.
Then, about a week after that, I finally got a response from the company telling me that they had fixed it and returned it to me. So kudos to the repair group for the fast repair time, but clearly they lied about delivery dates, way underestimated the power usage, produced a poor quality product that died in less than a month, and are so swamped with repair requests that it takes them weeks to respond to customer emails.
Steer clear of this company. They have the worst business ethics. Cough cough... BS. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344105.0 Have a look at the the 100's of failures and long response times for RMA. Avoid BFL like the plague. Best solution. http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1kkffk/bfl_announces_new_28nm_pci_mining_blade_600ghs/[–]rockkit 38 points 7 months ago Doing business with Butterfly Labs is like dating a hot girl with a heroin habit. Everything starts off well, then they... 1) Borrow thousands of dollars from you 2) Promise to pay you back 'in two weeks' for an entire year 3) Sleep around with other guys ( https://products.butterflylabs.com/65nm-asic-bitcoin-mining-chip.html) 4) Then show up at your door one night saying they'll pay you ten times the original money back if you can just loan them another four thousand dollars for a couple of months. Anyone can get suckered once, but if you loan them more money after seeing what happened the first time, you're a fucking idiot. THE ASIC It took BFL 14 months from when they started taking pre-orders for their ASIC line to when they finally started shipping them in any kind of volume to real customers. In terms of actual ASICs shipped (Jalapenos take one chip, Singles take 12 chips, Mini Rigs take hundreds of chips), they're still less than 10% through their backlog. http://bfl.ptz.ro/During this epic delay, two of BFL's competitors (Avalon and ASIC Miner) got their designs finished in less than half the time, then flooded the market with ASICs, absolutely crushing BFL. http://thegenesisblock.com/asicminer-usb-bitcoin-miner-price-drops-80-to-0-175-btc/ http://launch.avalon-asics.com/Avalon and ASIC Miner both have 28nm designs in progress. At least three new companies have also entered the ASIC market, and all of them claim to have 28nm designs in progress. One of these companies has substantial Silicon Valley venture capital behind it and former Intel chip designers on its team http://www.cointerra.com/team/And another has already demonstrated a working prototype http://www.coindesk.com/a-look-inside-kncminer/What this means is, from a "getting the ASIC built" perspective, its almost guaranteed that another company will be shipping 28nm products before BFL. Its very likely that another company will ship 4 to 6 months ahead of BFL, negating a huge portion of the BFL units' ROI. THE HARDWARE Butterfly Labs sucks at making hardware. Their designs look beautiful in promo photos, but the actual build quality is terrible. Users have been experiencing major reliability issues in production. http://buttcoin.org/butterfly-labs-mini-rig-is-a-huge-broken-unstable-piece-of-shit https://forums.butterflylabs.com/jalapeno-single-sc-support/4275-another-jalapeno-fan-failure.html https://forums.butterflylabs.com/jalapeno-single-sc-support/4238-jale-dead.html https://forums.butterflylabs.com/jalapeno-single-sc-support/4201-design-flaw-heatsink-allows-chips-exposed.html https://forums.butterflylabs.com/jalapeno-single-sc-support/4288-singles-arrived-doa-psu-some-dead-fans.htmlThe fact that people are reporting significant amounts of "DOA" (dead on arrival) hardware means BFL probably isn't testing units before they ship them out. BFL has consistently demonstrated utter incompetence throughout their hardware design process. Right out of the gate, BFL's ASICs ended up using 3 times their projected power draw, forcing a complete redesign of all of BFL's boards. https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-3.html#post43041 https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-3.html#post30481Following this, had show-stopping problems with signal routing, voltage regulators, cooling, and practically every other subsystem in the design. Since all the design work was done by off-shore contractors, this caused massive delays in reaching a working prototype; and many of these problems would never have happened in the first place if they had used more skilled designers. When BFL finally did get their hardware into production, they regularly ran-out of critical parts like circuit boards and power supplies. This caused major delays in getting units to customers. BFL claims their new 28nm card will have a power draw of 350 Watts, which puts it squarely in AMD 6990 territory. http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2011/03/08/amd-radeon-hd-6990-review/9In case you're new to Bitcoin mining, 6990's run at pretty much the thermal limit for a PCI card. They come with scary warnings about damaging your system's motherboard and power supply, and have a dedicated "all bets are off if you flip this" switch on the back of the board used to enable "full power" mode. The 6990 was a difficult project even for AMD, and has had significant problems with reliability, especially in bitcoin mining applications. The fact that BFL is planning to build hardware that runs at this temperature and power density is, frankly, terrifying. A PCI card is a very different environment than an external box that plugs in via USB. They'll be up against all sorts of nasty power, signal timing, and compatibility issues. If a card fails hard, it could easily take-out the motherboard, and destroy other cards plugged in to it. Its highly likely the finished product won't have anywhere near the hashing power BFL claims it will, and its almost guaranteed that BFL will run into epic delays during design and manufacturing, just like last time. OVERALL Within the next few months, there will be plenty of better, cheaper, 28nm ASIC mining rigs. They'll be real hardware that actually exists, and they'll ship on reasonable schedules. Save yourself a world of hurt and don't send BFL your money. |
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152517.40All the Bitmit listings regarding the Bitsafe and Bitsafe development are now live! https://www.bitmit.net/en/q/?q=bitsafeThere was also some changes to the description of the main Bitsafe listing. (i.e. Disclaimer now included) https://www.bitmit.net/en/item/20780-bitsafe-1-1-hardware-wallet-firmware-now-upgradeable-via-usbPlease review these changes and the new listings to make sure you are happy with your order. Gladly refund anyone in a heartbeat if there is any issue. Also, check if any of the development accessories are something you are interested in. It would be nice to ship them together. As mentioned in the OP, I want to support anyone that would like to develop for this open source project but don't feel like they have the extra funds to purchase a Bitsafe at full price. Development support from others is of utmost importance for the success of Hardware Wallets in general. I've included a Bitmit listing just for you. Please purchase this one, and pay what you feel is appropriate. Hopefully, no one will find this as a barrier to getting involved if they are serious about improving this project: https://www.bitmit.net/en/item/20786-bitsafe-1-1-donors-and-developers-versionThere has been no Bitsafes shipped out the door yet. Thanks for your patience. I would like to give everyone a chance to review these new Bitmit listings first and make any changes if needed. The plan is to ship in mass this next weekend. With a full time job and family, mass shipping will help me make best use of the extra time I find for this project. Lastly, I've now included my email in my profile. I dislike the PM system. If you tried to contact me through Bitcointalk's PM system, but I haven't responded then please try my email. That is still no guarantee I will reply in a timely matter, but eventually, it will happen. Thanks, Allten
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Maybe it is for April fools?
LMFTFY It is always April Fools at BFL. |
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