OFFICIAL CGMINER mining software thread for linux/win/osx/mips/arm/r-pi 4.11.1

[The00Dustin]

Quick question: Luke-Jr just undone changes I made in the P2Pool wiki page, saying:

cgminer is pretty much deprecated at this point

Why would he say that?

Cuz he's a troll? He's been known to bash CGMiner to advocate more people to use his BFGMiner.

Sadly, people like Luke actually think they're right most of the time (and I'm not by any means taking sides in Luke vs Con+Kano regarding who is right on anything).  In this case, I would guess he thinks claiming cgminer is deprecated is justified because con has taken a week plus off and for whatever reason he thinks he would never need to do that (assuming I am correct, I will disagree with Luke on this point).  Nonetheless, what may be more important is what was originally posted and who administers the wiki in question (if wikis can be administered to the extent that forums can, I'm actually not familiar with the internal workings of wikis).  As I am not in the know on any of that, I can't provide any helpful suggestions for dealing with that.

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[hahahafr]

It was just some little details, not meaningful. But still, why can't they work together to improve CGMiner? Losing a lot of man-hours with these 2 forks.

[kano]

It was just some little details, not meaningful. But still, why can't they work together to improve CGMiner? Losing a lot of man-hours with these 2 forks.

I guess he got extra upset about my post regarding his getblocktemplate so went on a wiki rampage

He seemed rather irate when he contacted me about it in IRC ... and being childish changing wiki web pages like that is not only very in character for him, it's not the first time.

He gets upset about posting his IRC comments (due to the fact he doesn't want people to know what he says) so I won't post the PM IRC conversation - it wasn't in #cgminer

Bottom line is, he is extremely difficult to deal with as a programmer and he thinks he is ALWAYS right.

Almost every code change I had an argument about with him, he has since implemented or has said he will implement ... at a much later date ... after the reason I gave originally showed up (been good examples of that)

If you read his thread on getblocktemplate you should see, showing clearly through that, his controlling and thinking he always right attitude:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108854.0

His problem was, after all the shit I had to go through with him, he then directed it at ckolivas.
Bad move - end of story.
ckolivas own his own git, no one else

Edit: a few days later ... he also got his pissy little lapdog gmaxwell to delete my post ...

[P_Shep]

Quick question: Luke-Jr just undone changes I made in the P2Pool wiki page, saying:

cgminer is pretty much deprecated at this point

Why would he say that?

That's very sad. 

[Luke-Jr]

Quick question: Luke-Jr just undone changes I made in the P2Pool wiki page, saying:

cgminer is pretty much deprecated at this point

Why would he say that?

You cut the quote off:

cgminer is pretty much deprecated at this point, and the commands added here don't even work with it

[sharky112065]

Quick question: Luke-Jr just undone changes I made in the P2Pool wiki page, saying:

cgminer is pretty much deprecated at this point

Why would he say that?

You cut the quote off:

cgminer is pretty much deprecated at this point, and the commands added here don't even work with it

According to the definition listed below, I can see how you could make that statement given you forked it and now try to convince others that cgminer would not even exist if it were not for you.

You really need to drop the God complex.

deprecated
 
dep·re·cate
   [dep-ri-keyt] Show IPA
verb (used with object), dep·re·cat·ed, dep·re·cat·ing.

1. to express earnest disapproval of.
2. to urge reasons against; protest against (a scheme, purpose, etc.).
3. to depreciate; belittle.
4. Archaic . to pray for deliverance from.

[The00Dustin]

You cut the quote off:

cgminer is pretty much deprecated at this point, and the commands added here don't even work with it

*facepalm* context fail, glad I used words like assuming in my post.

According to the definition listed below, I can see how you could make that statement given you forked it and now try to convince others that cgminer would not even exist if it were not for you.

You really need to drop the God complex.

deprecated
 
dep·re·cate
   [dep-ri-keyt] Show IPA
verb (used with object), dep·re·cat·ed, dep·re·cat·ing.

1. to express earnest disapproval of.
2. to urge reasons against; protest against (a scheme, purpose, etc.).
3. to depreciate; belittle.
4. Archaic . to pray for deliverance from.

deprecated is a common term for no longer supported / included.  He also said "pretty much" which leaves the comment open for interpretation.  I am guessing the entire context still isn't in this thread, but I don't care.  I'm only replying to you to say that playing games with semantics really isn't necessary here (under the assumption that you know what deprecated means in this context [assuming the missing context doesn't change that] and are just trolling).

[sharky112065]

You cut the quote off:

cgminer is pretty much deprecated at this point, and the commands added here don't even work with it

*facepalm* context fail, glad I used words like assuming in my post.

According to the definition listed below, I can see how you could make that statement given you forked it and now try to convince others that cgminer would not even exist if it were not for you.

You really need to drop the God complex.

deprecated
 
dep·re·cate
   [dep-ri-keyt] Show IPA
verb (used with object), dep·re·cat·ed, dep·re·cat·ing.

1. to express earnest disapproval of.
2. to urge reasons against; protest against (a scheme, purpose, etc.).
3. to depreciate; belittle.
4. Archaic . to pray for deliverance from.

deprecated is a common term for no longer supported / included.  He also said "pretty much" which leaves the comment open for interpretation.  I am guessing the entire context still isn't in this thread, but I don't care.  I'm only replying to you to say that playing games with semantics really isn't necessary here (under the assumption that you know what deprecated means in this context [assuming the missing context doesn't change that] and are just trolling).

No, he used the word Deprecated not the word Depreciated. Call it trolling if you want. He is still a prick.

[The00Dustin]

No, he used the word Deprecated not the word Depreciated. Call it trolling if you want. He is still a prick.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deprecation

Not to be confused with Depreciation.
In the process of authoring computer software, its standards or documentation, or other technical standards, deprecation is a status applied to features, characteristics, or practices to indicate that they should be avoided, typically because they have been superseded.

OK, I won't call it trolling, apparently you were serious.  Deprecated is the right word, possibly used incorrectly in this case.

[Luke-Jr]

I can see how you ... now try to convince others that cgminer would not even exist if it were not for you.

I never claimed anything of the sort, so you are obviously trolling.

[streetuff]

Luke just go away already. I already told you I'm outta here, so dunno why you're still whining.

THIS!

[The00Dustin]

I can see how you ... now try to convince others that cgminer would not even exist if it were not for you.

I never claimed anything of the sort, so you are obviously trolling.

I'm pretty sure I saw an argument between you and kano in a BFL thread that one could certainly take the way he put it.

[crazyates]

Luke just go away already. I already told you I'm outta here, so dunno why you're still whining.

THIS!

Shh! Let us longer speak of He-who-shall-not-be-named.

[kano]

Quick question: Luke-Jr just undone changes I made in the P2Pool wiki page, saying:

cgminer is pretty much deprecated at this point

Why would he say that?

You cut the quote off:

cgminer is pretty much deprecated at this point, and the commands added here don't even work with it

So ... you gonna leave that comment there and prove what everyone is saying about you ... or remove it?

I suspect you wont change it
Or will do the usual word games you play.

Yes most people who understand english understand the meaning of the word 'and' ... though in well written english you don't put a comma before 'and' ...

Now for my comments on the actual issue:
The amusing side about it all is to simply look at the wiki and see what's been done.

Firstly: the funniest part of it is clearly logged as is the case with the wikipedia software anywhere:
https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=P2Pool&action=historysubmit&diff=28709&oldid=28414
On 14th July Luke-jr decided to change the web page from mentioning cgminer to only mentioning his cgminer clone.
... rather than adding his miner to the page. Nothing unexpected there - typical of him.

He typically has this opinion of himself being all important and this is part of the reason why we usually only refer to him as Jesus in the #cgminer thread ...
He's very religious and thinks he's god

Next he changed the page coz he didn't like the fact that p2pool is more decentralised than his pool (which it is) so he hid that statement and made the page now incorrect:
https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=P2Pool&action=historysubmit&diff=30018&oldid=28709

Next Hahahafr tried to fix the 14th July change by adding cgminer back in there - which is of course correct - thanks to Hahahafr for noticing that and fixing it
https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=P2Pool&action=historysubmit&diff=30982&oldid=30018

As usual though, Luke-jr lies about shit all the time - as here it's even documented - on 19-Sep - Luke-jr rolled back Hahahafr's change - thus putting the p2pool page back to not mentioning cgminer - with the statement as per this discussion
https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=P2Pool&action=historysubmit&diff=31023&oldid=30982

As usual, he is also playing word games.
One of Hahahafr's changes used the wrong option - that is no longer necessary - so rather than correcting it (remove "--submit-stales") Jesus-Jr uses that as an excuse to lie about shit like he usually does and undo the change removing cgminer from the p2pool page.

Sigh - having to deal with shit like this should make it clear why things are the way they are.

It's nothing new.

His agenda is some sort of power/control of BTC (which has been going on for a long time) and he believes his religious ideals are reason for him to take control and make things only how he thinks they should be - his belief is that he is righteous.
I make this comment in all seriousness.

[Luke-Jr]

I make this comment in all seriousness.

That just makes you a liar. As usual.

[P_Shep]

As usual though, Luke-jr lies about shit all the time - as here it's even documented - on 19-Sep - Luke-jr rolled back Hahahafr's change - thus putting the p2pool page back to not mentioning cgminer - with the statement as per this discussion
https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=P2Pool&action=historysubmit&diff=31023&oldid=30982

Wow. That's very, very dissapointing.

But yes, to be expected from the 2nd coming.

Also Luke, you shouldn't be so embarressed about your picture going up. The acne will clear up and facial hair will kick-in once you're through puberty.

[The00Dustin]

Yes most people who understand english understand the meaning of the word 'and' ... though in well written english you don't put a comma before 'and' ...

Since the current version of cgminer is apparently pretty stable and this thread is clearly an argument playground right now, I would like to take a moment to correct this.  Perhaps you don't use a comma before and in GB English (and IIRC, you are in Australia, where GB English is presumably what is used), but in US English you do (and I don't know or care where Luke-Jr is, he isn't involved in the above quoted portion of your post).  In US English, I know you do, and the sentence in question (if it were a sentence) appears grammatically sound...  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinating_conjunction#Coordinating_conjunctions

[-ck]

Heh, the more things change, the more they stay the same   Nuff said.

Anyway unfortunately for some (one?), I'm not dead and was not going to abandon cgminer, but family comes first. Things are still bad there but I'm finding my feet again.

I'll look at the stratum protocol at some stage soon.

[vapourminer]

Meanwhile, anyone bored and looking for some cgminer excitement
My current git is 2.7.5n (at the moment - but it keeps going up)

Ill give it a go.

running it now on an XP machine with a 5830 and a BFL single. also have miner.php loaded for monitoring it.

[vapourminer]

family comes first. Things are still bad there but I'm finding my feet again.

family does indeed come 1st. take the time you need, and I hope things work out for the best.