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Author Topic: Claymore's Dual Ethereum AMD+NVIDIA GPU Miner v15.0 (Windows/Linux)  (Read 6590661 times)
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April 29, 2016, 08:20:59 PM
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@claymore : Is it possible to use your miner on miningrigrentals?  if so could you help with the options.  I've tried multiple qtminer combinations, but so far nothing works.  according to miningrigrentals, they have a qtminer example that shows :  qtminer -s us-west01.miningrigrentals.com:3333 -u username.rignumber -G

Love all the work you've done on this miner.  Thanks!!!

I read this: https://www.miningrigrentals.com/rigs/hashimotog
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This algo is typically used to mine Ethereum. This section is for the GETWORK miner and related pools only. Typically this is ethminer. Attempting to use rigs from this section with stratum based pools will fail.
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So it seems they don't support stratum, I cannot find page with your sample about qtminer.
They haven't updated their faq about the stratum side.  When you setup a Dagger-Hashimoto(S) rig, in the properties block of the rig they give an example of a qtminer command line.  That is the only place I have found an example for their stratum based dagger-hashimoto rigs.

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April 29, 2016, 08:25:53 PM
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You can PM me log file and I will check how many shares miner submitted.
Hi Claymore, thnx for your miner, its worth every penny that we pay you, for using it.
A few weeks ago, you said, that once the miner becomes a stable version, you will port it to linux...
Is it possible, now?
Because atleast 10% of all the miners, are using linux.

I'm working on solo mode, monitoring/management utility and linux version. Not sure what will be released first, perhaps I will have linux version in 1-2 days (assuming v4.1 is stable).

Thnx, linux version would be great, for linux people like me.
We will be waiting.

Komuto Herovato is definitely the chief engineer of bfl)
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April 29, 2016, 08:28:05 PM
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Guys, it's a good idea to read OP or readme.
froilan_rivero - Expanse is supported, search "Ethereum forks mining" string in readme or OP.
Doramha - Read "FAILOVER" section: "Every pool has 3 connection attempts."

This is definately the best miner around thank you so much. Smiley Grin


Claymore, Will it work in dual mode? EXP+DCR?

DevFee: ETH: 04/29/16-15:56:40 - New job (target 0x0000000000000000) from us1.et
hermine.org:4444
ETH: Stratum - connecting to 'exp.suprnova.cc' <37.59.18.108> port 4000
ETH: Stratum - Connected (exp.suprnova.cc:4000)
DevFee: ETH: 04/29/16-15:56:50 - New job (target 0x0000000000000000) from us1.et
hermine.org:4444
DevFee: ETH: 04/29/16-15:56:53 - New job (target 0x0000000000000000) from us1.et
hermine.org:4444
Received unknown response: {"id":null,"method":"mining.notify","params":["1695",
"0xe794400c315d44b7117b6f0e437046c97d0761906d51ef307b48c51fc1c9706d","0x6d29f6dd
1270e49744bd5377ec86395b2de2abbe54bae16281b8e39b35538dcd","0x0000000394427b08175
efa9a9eb59b9123e2969bf19bf272b20787ed022fbe6c",true]}
Received unknown response: {"id":null,"method":"mining.notify","params":["1696",
"0xe794400c315d44b7117b6f0e437046c97d0761906d51ef307b48c51fc1c9706d","0x6d29f6dd
1270e49744bd5377ec86395b2de2abbe54bae16281b8e39b35538dcd","0x0000000394427b08175
efa9a9eb59b9123e2969bf19bf272b20787ed022fbe6c",true]}
ETH: Job timeout, disconnect, retry in 20 sec...
 DCR: 04/29/16-15:57:13 - New job (target 0x00000000ffff0000, block #23720) from
 dcr.suprnova.cc:2252
DevFee: stop mining and disconnect
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April 29, 2016, 08:30:00 PM
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@claymore : Is it possible to use your miner on miningrigrentals?  if so could you help with the options.  I've tried multiple qtminer combinations, but so far nothing works.  according to miningrigrentals, they have a qtminer example that shows :  qtminer -s us-west01.miningrigrentals.com:3333 -u username.rignumber -G

Love all the work you've done on this miner.  Thanks!!!

I read this: https://www.miningrigrentals.com/rigs/hashimotog
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This algo is typically used to mine Ethereum. This section is for the GETWORK miner and related pools only. Typically this is ethminer. Attempting to use rigs from this section with stratum based pools will fail.
....

So it seems they don't support stratum, I cannot find page with your sample about qtminer.
They haven't updated their faq about the stratum side.  When you setup a Dagger-Hashimoto(S) rig, in the properties block of the rig they give an example of a qtminer command line.  That is the only place I have found an example for their stratum based dagger-hashimoto rigs.

dp

if qtminer is supported, my miner will work too:
EthDcrMiner64.exe -epool us-west01.miningrigrentals.com:3333 -ewal username.rignumber -epsw x -esm 1 -allpools 1
If it does not work, read the log for details about error.

Please read Readme and FAQ in the first post of this thread before asking any questions, probably the answer is already there.
List of my miners: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3019607
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April 29, 2016, 08:36:10 PM
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try "-esm 2" option. Or better use different pool that has some help page that mentions what proxy mode should be used so you can understand what "-esm" mode must be used. Because at the moment there are three stratum modes/proxies and it's a good idea to mention on help page what stratum proxy must be used.

Please read Readme and FAQ in the first post of this thread before asking any questions, probably the answer is already there.
List of my miners: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3019607
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April 29, 2016, 08:45:06 PM
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I'm trying to mine at ethermine.org. All works except two things (tested on both 4.0 beta and 4.1):
- Sometimes ethermine reports doubled "Reported hashrate" for the account, but always correct hashrate for the rig (just one rig used).
- With -esm 0 or -esm 1 it still does not show stats "Shares (Invalid / Valid / %)". All are always 0.

Command line:
Code:
EthDcrMiner64.exe -ewal 0xWALLET -epsw x -eworker rig01 -epool eu1.ethermine.org:4444 -esm 1

What can be wrong?
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April 29, 2016, 08:48:13 PM
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I'm trying to mine at ethermine.org. All works except two things (tested on both 4.0 beta and 4.1):
- Sometimes ethermine reports doubled "Reported hashrate" for the account, but always correct hashrate for the rig (just one rig used).
- With -esm 0 or -esm 1 it still does not show stats "Shares (Invalid / Valid / %)". All are always 0.

Command line:
Code:
EthDcrMiner64.exe -ewal 0xWALLET -epsw x -eworker rig01 -epool eu1.ethermine.org:4444 -esm 1

What can be wrong?


Have you tried this? Wait at least 30 mins to see stats.
Code:
EthDcrMiner64.exe -ewal 0xWALLET.rig01 -epsw x -epool eu1.ethermine.org:4444 -esm 1

Please read Readme and FAQ in the first post of this thread before asking any questions, probably the answer is already there.
List of my miners: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3019607
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Last edit: April 29, 2016, 09:25:10 PM by osnwt
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Have you tried this? Wait at least 30 mins to see stats.
Code:
EthDcrMiner64.exe -ewal 0xWALLET.rig01 -epsw x -epool eu1.ethermine.org:4444 -esm 1
It works but the same way. Here is how it looks like:

qtminer updates share stats every 5 minutes (of course, not qtminer but the pool when mined with qtminer)
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try "-esm 2" option. Or better use different pool that has some help page that mentions what proxy mode should be used so you can understand what "-esm" mode must be used. Because at the moment there are three stratum modes/proxies and it's a good idea to mention on help page what stratum proxy must be used.

SOLVED!
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April 29, 2016, 09:46:17 PM
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I have problems in v4.1

continue to keep on getting error connection yet nothing wrong with unit as my other unit running fine but on version before 4.1
Code:
ETH: Stratum - socket send failed 10053, disconnect
ETH: Stratum - connecting to 'us-east1.ethereum.miningpoolhub.com' <45.55.57.211> port 20536
ETH: Stratum - Connected (us-east1.ethereum.miningpoolhub.com:20536)
ETH: Authorized
ETH: Job timeout, disconnect, retry in 20 sec...
ETH: Stratum - connecting to 'us-east1.ethereum.miningpoolhub.com' <45.55.57.211> port 20536
ETH: Stratum - Connected (us-east1.ethereum.miningpoolhub.com:20536)
ETH: Authorized
ETH: 04/29/16-22:43:54 - New job (target 0x0000000225c17d04) from us-east1.ethereum.miningpoolhub.com:20536
ETH - Total Speed: 19.562 Mh/s, Total Shares: 575, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:55
ETH: GPU0 19.562 Mh/s
ETH: 04/29/16-22:44:00 - New job (target 0x0000000225c17d04) from us-east1.ethereum.miningpoolhub.com:20536
ETH - Total Speed: 19.559 Mh/s, Total Shares: 575, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:55
ETH: GPU0 19.559 Mh/s
ETH: 04/29/16-22:43:54 - New job (target 0x0000000225c17d04) from us-east1.ethereum.miningpoolhub.com:20536
ETH - Total Speed: 19.562 Mh/s, Total Shares: 575, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:55
ETH: GPU0 19.562 Mh/s
ETH: 04/29/16-22:44:00 - New job (target 0x0000000225c17d04) from us-east1.ethereum.miningpoolhub.com:20536
ETH - Total Speed: 19.559 Mh/s, Total Shares: 575, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:55
ETH: GPU0 19.559 Mh/s
ETH: 04/29/16-22:44:24 - New job (target 0x00000003115d8e06) from us-east1.ethereum.miningpoolhub.com:20536
ETH - Total Speed: 19.561 Mh/s, Total Shares: 575, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:55
ETH: GPU0 19.561 Mh/s
ETH: 04/29/16-22:44:28 - New job (target 0x00000003115d8e06) from us-east1.ethereum.miningpoolhub.com:20536
ETH - Total Speed: 19.561 Mh/s, Total Shares: 575, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:56
ETH: GPU0 19.561 Mh/s
ETH: 04/29/16-22:44:52 - New job (target 0x00000003115d8e06) from us-east1.ethereum.miningpoolhub.com:20536
ETH - Total Speed: 18.773 Mh/s, Total Shares: 575, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:56
ETH: GPU0 18.773 Mh/s
ETH: 04/29/16-22:44:53 - New job (target 0x00000003115d8e06) from us-east1.ethereum.miningpoolhub.com:20536
ETH - Total Speed: 18.733 Mh/s, Total Shares: 575, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:56
ETH: GPU0 18.733 Mh/s
ETH: 04/29/16-22:44:55 - New job (target 0x00000003115d8e06) from us-east1.ethereum.miningpoolhub.com:20536
ETH - Total Speed: 19.132 Mh/s, Total Shares: 575, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:56
ETH: GPU0 19.132 Mh/s
ETH: 04/29/16-22:44:59 - New job (target 0x00000003115d8e06) from us-east1.ethereum.miningpoolhub.com:20536
ETH - Total Speed: 18.773 Mh/s, Total Shares: 575, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:56
ETH: GPU0 18.773 Mh/s
ETH: 04/29/16-22:45:07 - New job (target 0x00000003115d8e06) from us-east1.ethereum.miningpoolhub.com:20536
ETH - Total Speed: 19.523 Mh/s, Total Shares: 575, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:56
ETH: GPU0 19.523 Mh/s
ETH: 04/29/16-22:45:11 - SHARE FOUND - (GPU 0)
ETH: Share accepted (203 ms)!
ETH - Total Speed: 19.481 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.481 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.481 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.481 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.481 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.481 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.481 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.481 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.481 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.481 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.481 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.481 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.481 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.481 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.481 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.481 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.481 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.481 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.481 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.481 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.481 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.481 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.481 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.481 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.481 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.481 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.481 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.481 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.481 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.481 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.481 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.481 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.481 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.481 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.481 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.481 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.311 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.311 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.311 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.311 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.311 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.311 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.311 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.311 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.311 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.311 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.311 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.311 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.311 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.311 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.311 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.311 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.311 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.311 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.311 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.311 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.311 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.311 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.311 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.311 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.311 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.311 Mh/s
ETH - Total Speed: 19.311 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.311 Mh/s
ETH: 04/29/16-22:45:39 - New job (target 0x0000000461f35d41) from us-east1.ethereum.miningpoolhub.com:20536
ETH - Total Speed: 19.376 Mh/s, Total Shares: 576, Rejected: 0, Time: 02:57
ETH: GPU0 19.376 Mh/s

Any advise on how to resolve this? and what is the time thing too is this local time submitted as that is not my current time zone UK time is mine or is that time been active ?


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April 29, 2016, 10:19:19 PM
Last edit: April 29, 2016, 11:01:54 PM by Beachguy
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Things had been going too well on version 3.2 so I just watched 3.3 and 4.0 roll by.
Set up my crate and installed fourth card in last evening. Ran on 3.2 until late this afternoon.

Downloaded 4.1 stable and ran as is with no changes to the 3.2 bat settings for eth only.
Wow. Shocked.... that dang dag file builds fast now.....just a tad slower on Mh's though.
Then I remembered that this version is -ethi 8, added -ethi 16 to batch file.

Now it's a tick faster.  Grin

Temps are still stable and cool even on the display card in the case. (to get to the pci-e slots for the risers it has to be in the bottom slot just above the power supply. seasonic gold X 850.
All four cards mining...pulling 580 watts according to Mr Killowatt.


I'm going to think about some tweaks now.

1- MSI - HD7850 2Gb Twin Frozer - Display card and mining
1- Asus - R9 270X 2 GB
2 - MSI - R9 270X 4 GB

putting out 53.2~53.4 mH - zero rejects
Not the fastest or fanciest cards in the world but the prices were right.
I already had the HD 7850 from four I owned 2 years ago.

Thank you Claymore for putting this out and staying on top of its development... all the time fielding all the seemingly endless noob balls.
 It's been fun getting back to my GPU mining roots.   Cool

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April 29, 2016, 10:41:31 PM
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Then I remembered that this version is -ethi 8, added -ethi 16 to batch file.


Didn't even notice that, thanks for the tip, saw a tad bid more speed out of this note.

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April 29, 2016, 10:45:50 PM
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8 vs 16 not much difference in hash, but at 8 work is much more responsive Wink
9 is probably best.
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April 29, 2016, 11:02:58 PM
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This may be a little sophmoric for this discussion about the attributes of Claymore's Dual Purpose Miner, but here goes: Currently using linux for ETH mining. Should I load Windows to an 16gb SSD and boot off, then download the DP miner? Or maybe can I just boot Windows off of an 1TB HDD that I own already, add DP miner then proceed? Don't know if using the HDD to would affect performance making it not worth?
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April 29, 2016, 11:21:48 PM
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Hi Claymore, you get the fee only from ETH, not 1% ETH and 1% DCR in dual mining mode, right?
Your fee is time based, 60 minutes mining for owner, and 1.2 minutes mining for you?
This may be explanation for lower ETH hash (shares) for the surveillance people Smiley
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April 29, 2016, 11:26:05 PM
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Hi Claymore, you get the fee only from ETH, not 1% ETH and 1% DCR in dual mining mode, right?
Your fee is time based, 60 minutes mining for owner, and 1.2 minutes mining for you?
This may be explanation for lower ETH hash (shares) for the surveillance people Smiley

Well you might be doing somthing wrong then. I have noticed gains in ETH only mining and even with 1% fee and 1 or 2% fee in pool the extra hash and extra shares are covering the fees and more. I was down to about maybe 0.88 to 0.9 ETH a day on one unit and with this am back into the nice 1.5 to 2ETH a day on one me rigs so am happy and thats taken the fees out and exchange. With normal miner seems loss.

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April 29, 2016, 11:31:58 PM
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Hi Claymore, you get the fee only from ETH, not 1% ETH and 1% DCR in dual mining mode, right?
Your fee is time based, 60 minutes mining for owner, and 1.2 minutes mining for you?
This may be explanation for lower ETH hash (shares) for the surveillance people Smiley

Well you might be doing somthing wrong then. I have noticed gains in ETH only mining and even with 1% fee and 1 or 2% fee in pool the extra hash and extra shares are covering the fees and more. I was down to about maybe 0.88 to 0.9 ETH a day on one unit and with this am back into the nice 1.5 to 2ETH a day on one me rigs so am happy and thats taken the fees out and exchange. With normal miner seems loss.

You misunderstand me, I am not have a problem with hash rate Wink
Think about your configuration with other eth miner Wink
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April 29, 2016, 11:45:40 PM
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Hello!
I need some help, I am mining eth for a month now but not on stratum can someone share some links on what i need and how to use stratum because I see that i can get a better hashrate this way.. and then if I can make it work I can try the Eth+Dcr.

Thanks for the help! I appreciate IT!

I've been mining Ethereum over @ Ethpool and DCR via Coinmine/Suprnova which both support stratum.  Simply replace your current pools in your .bat file unless you can confirm they already do support the stratum protocol and you're good to go buddy!

ETH=  us1.ethpool.org:3333

DCR=  stratum+tcp://dcr.suprnova.cc:2252
I am mining with getwork not stratum. I don't need to install anything else for switching to stratum mode?

That is correct
Found suitable OpenCL device [Tahiti] with 3221225472 bytes of GPU memory
miner  02:42:49|main  Getting work package...
  X  02:42:50|main  Failed to submit hashrate.
  X  02:42:50|main  Dynamic exception type: class jsonrpc::JsonRpcException
std::exception::what: Exception -32003 : Client connector error: libcurl error:
7 -> Could not connect to http://eu1.nanopool.org:9999/0x...
JSON-RPC problem. Probably couldn't connect. Retrying in 1...

Don't i need to install eth-proxy or need it don't really know that's why i asked for help
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April 29, 2016, 11:53:12 PM
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Hi Claymore, you get the fee only from ETH, not 1% ETH and 1% DCR in dual mining mode, right?
Your fee is time based, 60 minutes mining for owner, and 1.2 minutes mining for you?
This may be explanation for lower ETH hash (shares) for the surveillance people Smiley

Well you might be doing somthing wrong then. I have noticed gains in ETH only mining and even with 1% fee and 1 or 2% fee in pool the extra hash and extra shares are covering the fees and more. I was down to about maybe 0.88 to 0.9 ETH a day on one unit and with this am back into the nice 1.5 to 2ETH a day on one me rigs so am happy and thats taken the fees out and exchange. With normal miner seems loss.

You misunderstand me, I am not have a problem with hash rate Wink
Think about your configuration with other eth miner Wink

lol configurations are exactly the same. And the fee you refer to is 1% on both.

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This miner is free-to-use, however, current developer fee is 1% for Ethereum-only mining mode (-mode 1) and 2% for Ethereum+Decred mining mode (-mode 0), every hour the miner mines for 36 or 72 seconds for developer.
Decred is mined without developer fee.

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April 30, 2016, 12:02:35 AM
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This may be a little sophmoric for this discussion about the attributes of Claymore's Dual Purpose Miner, but here goes: Currently using linux for ETH mining. Should I load Windows to an 16gb SSD and boot off, then download the DP miner? Or maybe can I just boot Windows off of an 1TB HDD that I own already, add DP miner then proceed? Don't know if using the HDD to would affect performance making it not worth?

Since v4, hard-drive isn't even used to store the DAG, and even when it was, disk speed didn't really matter.

I would guess that 16GB would probably be too small for Windows.

lol configurations are exactly the same. And the fee you refer to is 1% on both.

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This miner is free-to-use, however, current developer fee is 1% for Ethereum-only mining mode (-mode 1) and 2% for Ethereum+Decred mining mode (-mode 0), every hour the miner mines for 36 or 72 seconds for developer.
Decred is mined without developer fee.
You realize that says 2% fee only applies to Ethereum, right?  There is no devfee for decred mining.
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