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I'm sorry, I missed that one. It seemed like an odd change to me, so I just assumed it was taking the wrong value from somewhere. Thanks for pointing it out. P.S. - Sent a small thanks to your 148KkS2vgVi4VzUi4JcKzM2PMaMVPi3nnq address for all your work on this in the name of GPU miners. 
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August 12, 2013, 01:44:02 PM |
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It seemed like an odd change to me, so I just assumed it was taking the wrong value from somewhere. Thanks for pointing it out.
You are not alone with that. I can't really see the point of changing that but it's cons decision.
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August 12, 2013, 02:05:36 PM |
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It seemed like an odd change to me, so I just assumed it was taking the wrong value from somewhere. Thanks for pointing it out.
You are not alone with that. I can't really see the point of changing that but it's cons decision. I changed it  (but we both have made comment about it before in IRC) There will be difficulty changes while mining The old A value was simply the number of shares found - but there is no way to calculate what that number actually represents other than 'shares'. On top of that, U was even worse coz that was based on A If you are still mining at 1diff then the number there wont really matter what it says 
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August 12, 2013, 02:15:44 PM |
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Kano and ckolivas, Did you guys know that there is a WinXP only version of Zadig? I setup my XP Pro laptop to be backup to my Win7 mining rig and found that the Zadig in your download directory is incompatible with WinXP and it doesn't do a check to tell you that. So I found the XP only version and that got me off the races with my backup PC. I'm wondering if that is part of the trouble some Windoze users are having with the Zadig utility? The XP Only version can be had from this link http://sourceforge.net/projects/libwdi/files/zadig/zadig_xp_v2.0.1.160.7z/downloadThanks, Sam
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August 12, 2013, 02:24:08 PM |
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Yep, I use WinXP for my testing (VM and kids computer are WinXP)
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August 12, 2013, 02:25:44 PM |
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Yep, I use WinXP for my testing (VM and kids computer are WinXP)
It may be helpful to folks to put that in the download directory as well. Thanks, Sam Edit: the Zadig version in the downloads didn't work with Server 2008 32 bit either. I haven't tried the XP version with it yet to see if that works or not.
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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
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August 12, 2013, 02:45:03 PM |
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You have to stop calling Windows that. It's not funny, it hasn't been in 2 decades. Grow up.
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August 12, 2013, 02:55:40 PM |
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You have to stop calling Windows that. It's not funny, it hasn't been in 2 decades. Grow up. Now that I know it really irritates you, you know it'll never stop 
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August 12, 2013, 03:41:43 PM |
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You have to stop calling Windows that. It's not funny, it hasn't been in 2 decades. Grow up. Now that I know it really irritates you, you know it'll never stop  I still get a slight chuckle every time, so by all means please continue.
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August 12, 2013, 04:06:48 PM |
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I've updated my unofficial Mac binaries for cgminer 3.3.2, website link is in the first post in this thread or simply by going here http://spaceman.ca/cgminerI included a new build for Mac OS X 10.5 PPC and updated the launcher, as it was attempting to use OpenCL before (which didn't exist until 10.6+) and crashing on start.
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August 12, 2013, 06:44:27 PM |
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It seemed like an odd change to me, so I just assumed it was taking the wrong value from somewhere. Thanks for pointing it out.
You are not alone with that. I can't really see the point of changing that but it's cons decision. I'm the opposite. I don't quite see any point whatsoever in showing absolute share count at all any more. The pools report your share count the same relative way. It's just a legacy from when there was only diff1 mining. I'm trying hard to move away from confusing information on the main screen (you can always get whatever information you want from the API).
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August 12, 2013, 08:28:23 PM |
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Kano and ckolivas, Did you guys know that there is a WinXP only version of Zadig? I setup my XP Pro laptop to be backup to my Win7 mining rig and found that the Zadig in your download directory is incompatible with WinXP and it doesn't do a check to tell you that. So I found the XP only version and that got me off the races with my backup PC. I'm wondering if that is part of the trouble some Windoze users are having with the Zadig utility? The XP Only version can be had from this link http://sourceforge.net/projects/libwdi/files/zadig/zadig_xp_v2.0.1.160.7z/downloadThanks, Sam Yes I'm aware of it, and I do understand why people stick with XP, but in all honesty I'm still surprised that no one would run a 12 year old PC but they're using a 12 year old unsupported by MS operating system. As I said, I do understand the whole if-it-ain't-broke concept, but it still surprises me...
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August 12, 2013, 08:43:57 PM |
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New release: Version 3.3.3 - 13th August 2013
This release was a concerted effort to decrease CPU usage for mining ASIC hardware on low power machines, especially when used with p2pool.
Human readable changelog:
- Avoid reproducing work as much as possible when generating work on stratum by storing a midstate of sorts on each stratum notification update. - Cache some of the work to decrease work duplication on GBT. - Fix a potential bug if a pool uses a nonce2 size bigger than 4 bytes. - Fix a (very low) potential data corruption on work generation. - Add more useful debugging for when low level crashes in semaphore and mutex operations occur. - Fix the intensity vs --scrypt bug introduced in 3.3.2
Full changelog:
- Only perform the bin2hex on nonce2 data if it's required for stratum submission, thereby removing the last conversion of that type from stratum work generation. - Create a work data template when receiving stratum notification, allowing a simple memcpy of the merkle root avoiding more hex2bin conversions on each work generation. - Export the workpadding char in miner.h - Avoid a potential overflow should a pool specify a large nonce2 length with stratum. - Avoid one more hex2bin in gen stratum work. - Rename work gbt_coinbase to coinbase to be in line with pool variable name. - Perform merkle bin hex2bin on stratum notify to avoid doing it on each work generation. - Reuse just the one pool coinbase variable in stratum, avoiding more string functions and storage in gen_stratum_work on each work generation. - Rename pool gbt_coinbase variable to coinbase to combine it with the stratum coinbase data. - Use a nonce2 offset variable for both gbt and stratum to consolidate requirements on work generation. - Merge pull request #474 from kanoi/master - util.c update quit call for new functions - use correct define for OSX in util.c - miner.h inline semaphores increase information on failure - util.c expand quit to show file/func/line - Merge remote-tracking branch 'conman/master' - Cache as much of the gbt coinbase as possible to avoid doing unnecessary hex2bin conversion on every work generation with gbt. - We should be using a cg_wlock initially in generating stratum and gbt work before downgrading the lock. - Add the ability to downgrade a write variant of the cglocks. - Fix --scrypt being required before scrypt intensities on command line or not working at all via config files. - Cache the hex2bin of pool nonce1 in stratum, avoiding hex2bin on each work generation. - Cache the binary generation of coinbase1 and 2 on stratum, avoiding a hex2bin of coinbase1 and 2 on each work generation. - cgsem - increase information on failure
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August 12, 2013, 09:29:46 PM |
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It seemed like an odd change to me, so I just assumed it was taking the wrong value from somewhere. Thanks for pointing it out.
You are not alone with that. I can't really see the point of changing that but it's cons decision. I'm the opposite. I don't quite see any point whatsoever in showing absolute share count at all any more. The pools report your share count the same relative way. It's just a legacy from when there was only diff1 mining. I'm trying hard to move away from confusing information on the main screen (you can always get whatever information you want from the API). It's hard to argue with the person who gives us so much, so just take this as another viewpoint. I use the Accepted value as an indicator of the miner work effort, and while it might not logcally relate anymore to the original intention, it now means I have to divide by difficulty to see the exact absolute count. I suppose it's just a matter of getting used to the change, especially seeing a large rejected number, although the percentage stays the same. I'm sure I'm not using the counter in its original intention, but it just seems so much easier to read with an absolute value that is smaller than the current changed number. Again, that said, I'll defer to the expert opinion around here from the person kind enough to provide us with a great tool and many updates. Thanks to all those that support this effort!
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August 12, 2013, 09:53:13 PM |
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Unofficial Mac binaries updated to 3.3.3 at http://spaceman.ca/cgminer. (if you'd prefer I not post here after every release, just let me know)
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August 12, 2013, 09:56:25 PM |
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... I use the Accepted value as an indicator of the miner work effort, and while it might not logcally relate anymore to the original intention, it now means I have to divide by difficulty to see the exact absolute count. I suppose it's just a matter of getting used to the change, especially seeing a large rejected number, although the percentage stays the same.
I'm sure I'm not using the counter in its original intention, but it just seems so much easier to read with an absolute value that is smaller than the current changed number. ...
Sorry, that just means you are misunderstanding what the old A means. Since you can submit 2 (or more) shares with 2 (or more) different difficulties, there is no clear meaning to a share count other than the number of times you have sent something to the pool - where 'something' is not necessarily the same each time. Some pools start you submitting shares at 1 difficulty and thus if you have 100GH/s you'll get a rash of shares to start up. Then when the pool switches you to 100 difficulty, your share count will clearly show how meaningless the old A is now with higher variable difficulty - i.e. if the pool took 10s to switch the difficulty to 100, the old A could show over 250 in the first 10 seconds and then it would slowly count up by 1 every couple of seconds after that - so at say 20 seconds it could have said A:255 and 100 diff at the top ... yep means nothing.
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August 12, 2013, 10:18:46 PM |
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Finally got my OTG cable for my Tablet, I got a LinuxVM for it and installed ubuntu and I cloned cgminer from git and double checked all my dependencies. Everything seemed fine till I got to ./configure I get this error. configure: error: Could not find usb library - please install libusb-1.0 I double checked and I have libusb-dev apt'ed and installed far as I know. Any clue what may be wrong?
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atomicchaos
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August 12, 2013, 10:19:02 PM |
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... I use the Accepted value as an indicator of the miner work effort, and while it might not logcally relate anymore to the original intention, it now means I have to divide by difficulty to see the exact absolute count. I suppose it's just a matter of getting used to the change, especially seeing a large rejected number, although the percentage stays the same.
I'm sure I'm not using the counter in its original intention, but it just seems so much easier to read with an absolute value that is smaller than the current changed number. ...
Sorry, that just means you are misunderstanding what the old A means. Since you can submit 2 (or more) shares with 2 (or more) different difficulties, there is no clear meaning to a share count other than the number of times you have sent something to the pool - where 'something' is not necessarily the same each time. Some pools start you submitting shares at 1 difficulty and thus if you have 100GH/s you'll get a rash of shares to start up. Then when the pool switches you to 100 difficulty, your share count will clearly show how meaningless the old A is now with higher variable difficulty - i.e. if the pool took 10s to switch the difficulty to 100, the old A could show over 250 in the first 10 seconds and then it would slowly count up by 1 every couple of seconds after that - so at say 20 seconds it could have said A:255 and 100 diff at the top ... yep means nothing. I understand I wasn't using it as intended, and obviously what you guys have changed is more towards the intended purpose, I was only sharing how I look at things in it, and agree, I'll need to upgrade my thinking about it. Thanks for taking the time to explain!
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August 13, 2013, 01:51:28 AM |
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Yes I'm aware of it, and I do understand why people stick with XP, but in all honesty I'm still surprised that no one would run a 12 year old PC but they're using a 12 year old unsupported by MS operating system. As I said, I do understand the whole if-it-ain't-broke concept, but it still surprises me... I run PC's allot older than 12 years old, not to mention Operating Systems, hence my profile pic. Many of the customers I deal with are still using WinXP & Server 2K3 so I have several machines with those OS's on hand. That's often the way of Vertical Market software. Besides there's about a year of M$ support left on XP. The thing that surprised me is that Server 2K8 gave the same error as XP when I ran the Zadig I got from your site. Sam
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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
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